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AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Finally got my hands on a real one, albeit Beta 2 for this project and it failed exactly after 30 seconds. Getting the main 124.69mb file (before compression) took 5:35 minutes. The Transfer screen ran up to 390kb/sec, so think the box qualified for that part.

The log gives:

17-9-2007 20:04:44|World Community Grid|Starting BETA_ach1_2_19_21
17-9-2007 20:04:44|World Community Grid|[cpu_sched] Starting BETA_ach1_2_19_21 (initial)
17-9-2007 20:04:50|World Community Grid|Starting task BETA_ach1_2_19_21 using beta2 version 513
17-9-2007 20:05:55|World Community Grid|Computation for task BETA_ach1_2_19_21 finished
17-9-2007 20:05:55|World Community Grid|Output file BETA_ach1_2_19_21_0 for task BETA_ach1_2_19_21 absent
17-9-2007 20:05:55|World Community Grid|Output file BETA_ach1_2_19_21_1 for task BETA_ach1_2_19_21 absent
17-9-2007 20:05:55|World Community Grid|Output file BETA_ach1_2_19_21_2 for task BETA_ach1_2_19_21 absent
17-9-2007 20:05:55|World Community Grid|Output file BETA_ach1_2_19_21_3 for task BETA_ach1_2_19_21 absent

Have a 11:11:27 deferral running now crying

Could not resist and hit Update AFTER 5:03 minutes and got a new one to download ach1_2_31_9. I'll hold the project if this one fails too.

Added: Weird.... this one came down in under 2 minutes and been crunching for several minutes now.
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Added: Weird.... this one came down in under 2 minutes and been crunching for several minutes now.


The largest file in the download is shared by all workunits within a 'batch' so you already had this file on your computer and did not need to download it again.

We are looking at the errors that have been returned now.
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

That i think many non-opt ins had not realised, the main crunching file being a one time per version update.

The second one is happily crunching away and looks to finish way ahead of the24 hours estimate it gave at start. Shrunk to 17 hours so far.

See after 25 minutes no graphics. Presume they were omitted for this test.
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Yeah, graphics are omitted in the BETA tests. You should still get a progress bar on the BETA that will progress. Are you seeing this?

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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Yup, the sliding info bar and the percent progress are both there, same as with DDDT
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

I posted and deleted in the Dengue forum:
I am running task dddt0101a0072_ZINC04312644-0000_00_1 using dddt version 508, BOINC 5.10.20, Windows Vista. I noticed that this 12 day old Gateway desktop with AMD 64 x 2 @2.1 GHz and 1 GB RAM was sluggish although RAM utilization was only 55%. When I looked in Reliability and Performance Monitor, I found that the WU was hard faulting 30 times per minute and writing over 2 KB/minute each time. That behavior lasted more than fifteen minutes.

The problem isn't the Dengue task, it is task BETA_ach1_2_14_9 using beta2 version 513.

I isolated the problem by allowing no new tasks and suspending jobs in queue. Here are some sequential screenshots:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7641/dengueex9.jpg

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8648/dengue2ao7.jpg

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/5374/dengue3dk0.jpg <---all heck broke loose here when writing checkpoint files

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/5945/dengue4xd6.jpg

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/5475/dengue5tx6.jpg <---so bad that CPU utilization is less than 100%

The task is currently at 90% complete. The behavior is cyclic. At its worst, the computer is unresponsive.

[edit] To help it along, I've chosen to use only one processor as shown below.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/3861/11790936br9.jpg [/edit]
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Task finished. This computer needs 4 GB of memory. I was viewing webpages with flash content during part of the upload. Here are the upload messages:
9/17/2007 9:34:00 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Started upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_0
9/17/2007 9:34:00 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Started upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_1
9/17/2007 9:35:48 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Finished upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_1
9/17/2007 9:35:48 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Throughput 17316 bytes/sec
9/17/2007 9:35:48 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Started upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_2
9/17/2007 9:35:52 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Finished upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_2
9/17/2007 9:35:52 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Throughput 702 bytes/sec
9/17/2007 9:35:52 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Started upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_3
9/17/2007 9:35:56 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Finished upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_3
9/17/2007 9:35:56 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Throughput 726 bytes/sec
9/17/2007 9:39:40 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Finished upload of file BETA_ach1_2_14_9_0
9/17/2007 9:39:40 PM|World Community Grid|[file_xfer] Throughput 31254 bytes/sec

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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Vester, not sure, but multiple processes like crunching and DDDT+ACAH simultaneous with only 1gb ram will tax a system. The System Requirements for AC@H are steep (hook up to a future CPDN project and you'll discover what really steep is!).

I'm testing on a 6 year old HT machine which allows only 1 thread and the job is running perfectly fine, with barely any interference, but that OOS Calc is slow and now extra slow (cause it seems to use alot of disk i/o(?)

I've allowed BOINC to only write once per 600 seconds to cut on the disk i/o. Checkpoints started out with 25 minutes apart and advanced so far, 60% into the job to 19 minutes apart. Peaks RAM read sofar were 541mb and 250mb VM. The amount of data read/write with such big models are to be expected large and so they are.

Added: If reading the log right, it took 5 minutes to upload your result. Not as bad as i thought to read elsewhere. WCG must be tweaking, or your upload bandwidth is good. I'll know how it fares in a few hours from the outpost.

My recommendation is to get extra 1gb. Even in the extortionate pricey realms I live, saw last week a 1gb 667 stick did 79,90 Euro, down from 199 Euro 2 months ago. Tempting as going from 1 to 1.5gb took already most of the performance issues away. A C2D running here also has 1.5gb running 2 threads and never/very rarely has any sluggishness.

The one thing for as long as i can remember are touch-pads on laptops, they are the one element affected by anything busy. For the finer/tense 'art'work, i just do a quick ThreadMaster tweak to a lower percent. There's a 'how to' in the Start Here forum for that and works a treat. I know why I'm doing this, so accept that occasional freeze and jump. WCG want the idle / spare cycles which at 60% are just as precious as full throttle.
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

Thanks for the answers, Sekerob. I wouldn't build or buy a dual core Vista computer without 4 GB of RAM on a 32 bit operating system. What I'm doing is setting up, tweaking, and testing a friend's new Gateway computer. He hasn't had time for me to return it to him and I've been using it for the past two weeks. Since I disassembled my computer for an upgrade, I observed the performance of this computer more closely than usual.

My aDSL connection is 6 Mbps down and 512 Kbps up to upload in five minutes and 40 seconds.

I have five friends and relatives running the project and the last thing I want to do is cause their computers to be sluggish. They all have DSL.

For now, I will run the computers at 100% and wait for complaints. The owner of this computer only checks e-mail. In fact, he checked his e-mail so infrequently that he forgot his password. laughing

I am now running it with a 2 GB flash drive as ReadyBoost and hope to get another of these jobs. It already sounds better (less HD activity). Here are two shots of the Reliability and Performance Monitor running a dddt and a hpf2 job:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5981/normalet0.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5415/normal3vp9.jpg

I'll probably give each of my two friends running Vista a 2 GB flash drive to run as ReadyBoost.
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Re: AC@H Beta 2 problems & observations

I wouldn't build or buy a dual core Vista computer without 4 GB of RAM on a 32 bit operating system.


I've got a Vista with C2D and 4GB of RAM - it runs smooth as silk. I wouldn't run it with anything less than 3GB though (tried 2GB and it was sluggish).
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