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Ingleside
Veteran Cruncher Norway Joined: Nov 19, 2005 Post Count: 974 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I don't like the idea of bittorrent because of the routing poblems stated earlier with the nat configuration. I lot of people will not get that working. And if you have more as 1 computer on your router it will also not work. As I've understood the intended torrent-functionality, it's for downloading files, there files is either downloaded directly from projects download-server (like now), or from other users that shares as torrent. Users themselves decides if they'll want to share or not. There was also some talk about allowing sharing "internally", example within a company, but disallowing sharing to other users. ![]() "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." |
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Former Member
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Send the work to Japan. Today's internet "wish-we-had" article says that Japanese internet speeds are 8 to 17 times faster than CABLE MODEMS in the United States, about 100 megabits/second. That's available to everyone. Since WWII trashed everything, they wired the country with newer copper, and recently put fiber all over the place Because there are several companies which are heavily competing each other every day, and only a few people had introduced cable modems in home. Modem -> ISDN -> ADSL -> optical fiber. I'm against introducing Bittorrent, because there are some pcs which cannot open ports to the net. rather the workunit should be separated into tiles or locally compressed. |
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Former Member
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I'm against introducing Bittorrent, because there are some pcs which cannot open ports to the net. BitTorrent should be only an additional (optional and variably configurable) option to existing HTTP and will (should) not replace it in Boinc. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 4, 2007 4:49:27 PM] |
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Former Member
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I want a box to check, so I can upload the whole result instead of crunching the same thing ten times (maybe I misunderstood the whole thing). It should be easy, next to where you choose project, check for maximume upload pr day or month.
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Paul Schlaffer
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Post Count: 278 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I also have no issue with downloading or uploading larger files. Most people in the US who have internet access are now on DSL or Cable these days. It is simple enough to limit connectivity to the overnight hours if network performance is an issue. My systems would not be able to support Bittorrent style functionality due to security reasons.
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martianmoons
Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 29, 2006 Post Count: 49 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I also have no issue with downloading or uploading larger files. Most people is the US who have internet access are now on DSL or Cable these days. There is also FIOS (Verizon optical) and similar fiber optic systems from US telephone companies that make uploading and downloading files of this size a non-issue. Perhaps give the user the option of choosing the size of the files they have the capability to download/upload, and adjust the work quorum accordingly to allow more efficient processing of the workunits. |
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jal2
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Post Count: 422 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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While I have DSL, my uplink speed is limited. I don't have a problem with long uploads, and multi-part forms could be used to help isolate problems with communications.
----------------------------------------I do have a problem with any type of server initiated communication, as I understand the above bit-torrent discussion. This type of transaction would either not be possible, or allowed, for my machines. I do have a potential suggestion concerning the size of the initial replication and the current results return method. My understanding is that each WU returns a check-sum and it's predetermined 10 percent of the result. If the check-sum is invalid, then that WU has to be sent out for recalculation, and the bandwidth used for capturing the 10 percent of the result will be wasted. This can also result in the other WUs spending a long period with a pending status. My suggestion is for the client to return the check-sum and keep the results until the server indicates what to do with it. If the results are at pending status, then the client will ask the server the status again when it next checks in. If the status is error, then the results will be discarded. If the status is valid, then the server reply needs to specify which 10 percent of the results should be returned. The client can then initiate another transaction which sends the requested 10 percent to the server. This approach would allow the initial replication to be increased to 15, with the first 10 valid check-sums providing the results. The remaining 5 would be discarded. This approach should decrease both the time required to obtain a quorum, and the overall network traffic as results are only sent when the server is ready for them. |
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Former Member
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I want a box to check, so I can upload the whole result instead of crunching the same thing ten times (maybe I misunderstood the whole thing). It should be easy, next to where you choose project, check for maximume upload pr day or month. I totally agree and that is why I started this post. Just a simple checkbox or let only computrers with fast internet do this project. There are enough other projects at WCG for people with a slower internet connection. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
@jal2,
----------------------------------------Like the checksum-first sending idea, but don't know if that ability is build into BOINC. That's a question for the techs, but think it's not. Don't like the redundancy increase though. If one fails and sending it out to a 'reliable' host, minimises that. Initially WCG uses 5 days return time just to get things going, but expect it to become longer once the sets branch out i.e. the rush to get quorum will be less. The points will follow eventually. That comes with the territory. @all, Whether an algorithm can be made to have a diverse distribution is a thought. As mentioned earlier, it substantially complicates the set up and work unit generation which goes into the 'feeder'. That effort is not likely in pools of only 82 work units as a base. WCG is in a discovery phase on this first.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I won't crunch for this project until the problem is solved. It is wast of my (and the other crunchers) computerpower to do the same task ten times, and it is a lot of other projects to do.
It makes no sence for me to waste 60 cpu-hours to save one hour or two with upload. |
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