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JmBoullier
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Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

In times as now where the available WUs are quite demanding in resources and computing time it might be convenient to be able to select a Test project with short units requesting only little memory. That would make it possible to quickly check if the overall download-crunch-upload chain is working correctly and to eliminate the size and crunching capability of the client machine from the causes of possible problems. Something like a few shortened GC units would do it well.

For example, currently when a member says "My machine does not receive work" there are many different tracks to explore while it might simply be that the available units are too big for the client. Selecting the Test project for a short time would help to eliminate all those connectivity or scheduling reasons which are generally the most difficult to investigate, particularly with non-techy members (no offense intended to them smile ).

What do you think? Jean.
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

Hi Jean,

Like that. There is talk of a mini work unit to be send to BOINC clients. It is intended for benchmarking a machine but could serve also to do other tests like the ones you describe.

As we migrate more and more to BOINC, messages could be added from the server to the client like 'your system requirements for FAAH are insufficient" or whatever project is being requested and set aside one of each with 1 'attempt' in it to test if it all fits over a computational cycle.
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

This is a slight variation on the intent of JmBoullier's question, but here goes ...
I'm intending to buy new hardware this year, and would like to see benchmarks of various computer setups crunching WUs under BOINC before deciding what to buy.
It would be useful if the results were collected, some analysis done, and the stats made easily available on WCG website (rather than having to trawl thru these fora). Collecting Whetstone & Dhrystone results (BOINC >> Advanced >> Run CPU benchmarks) would be one way of generating the stats, but it would be better if all contestants could run the same test suite comprising one "typical" WU from each project (repeated according to the no of CPU cores), as the relationship between Whetstones, Drhystones and real crunching speed is not clear to me at least.

At this point in time, 4-core CPUs are becoming available at reasonable prices, and it would be interesting to see how well their total speed scales up with the increased no of cores. The shrinking of CPU features from 65nm to 45nm is also happening, and I'd also like to see how this new generation rates.
(Currently 1 x AMD 4200+ X2, skt 939, 2321MHz: 2349 Whetstones, 4233 Drhystones per CPU, ~90 WCG points/CPU-hr)
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

2/13/2008 8:42:41 AM||Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 4000+ [x86 Family 15 Model 39 Stepping 1]
2/13/2008 8:42:41 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 3dnow mmx
2/13/2008 8:42:41 AM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.01.2600.00)
2/13/2008 8:42:41 AM||Memory: 3.00 GB physical, 7.34 GB virtual
2/13/2008 8:42:41 AM||Disk: 186.30 GB total, 156.27 GB free
2/20/2008 1:33:06 PM||Running CPU benchmarks
2/20/2008 1:33:07 PM||Suspending computation - running CPU benchmarks
2/20/2008 1:33:38 PM||Benchmark results:
2/20/2008 1:33:38 PM|| Number of CPUs: 1
2/20/2008 1:33:38 PM|| 2454 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
2/20/2008 1:33:38 PM|| 4495 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
2/20/2008 1:33:39 PM||Resuming computation

I have two other single core systems with similar characteristics.
My new one is the AMD64 X2 6400+ black edition on old 90nm wafer. It's 125 watts, so I have a Zalman fan on it. Stock speed is 3.2GHz as compared with 2.4GHz for the above specs. The new AMD 4 core phenoms at 2.0GHz and 2.2GHz will not yet match even my current speed PER CPU, so I went with that one for now. The mobos haven't caught up with the new Phenom technology but they will catch up. The power supply I think was too small, so it wouldn't load after flashing and the fans briefly starting.
It's out to FRYs for a larger PSU and I'll try again. PSU advertisers emphasize the peak power, but adding components on the ASUS mobo website yielded something like 350watts for the average power. I don't think that the 380W PSU would handle the startup surge.

Intel may have some faster strap-on Double Core-2 Duos out there and some have had good luck with them. I prefer the AMD solution for their improved floating point computation here at lower clock speed.
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

Hi Rick!
I have the time that you miss for reading and collecting information when I need some and that's what I did when I thought of building a machine dedicated to WCG. The result of these thoughts is an Intel Q6600, it is running since Sunday evening and I am amazed. It is the same clock speed as my "normal" machine, a Pentium 4HT 2.4 GHz and despite my hearing and saying during my career that "clock speed was not all" I never had such a demonstration so close in front of me. It seems that each core of the new beast is about twice as fast as the Pentium.

I am really happy with my choice which also happens to be the best cost/performance ratio currently, including electricity costs (the Q6600 is rated 95 W according to Intel's specs).

All the above is for a plain install out of the box with the standard heat sink which is sold with it. Now if you also consider the number of reports mentioning an amazing overclocking capability up to at least 3.0 GHz without any risk or particular difficulty (and more for OC experts) I wonder what you could want more for the current price... smile

Cheers. Jean.

Additional notes: smile
1. I have no particular link with Intel, past or present...
2. This machine is the first one I built myself
3. For the record its latest benchmark is
Number of CPUs: 4
--- 2359 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
--- 5309 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
4. I have never tried overclocking yet but i certainly will...
5. Sorry retsof... smile
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

My new PC is a Quad Core Q6600, I confirm it's a very powerful CPU :


20/02/2008 17:30:12||Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11]
20/02/2008 17:30:12||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx
20/02/2008 17:30:12||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.01.2600.00)
20/02/2008 17:30:12||Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 3.85 GB virtual
21/02/2008 09:24:42||Benchmark results:
21/02/2008 09:24:42|| Number of CPUs: 4
21/02/2008 09:24:42|| 2319 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
21/02/2008 09:24:42|| 5244 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


With my old P4D Whetstone was approximatively the same, but Dhrystone was approximatively 3.500 MIPS (with 2 CPU)
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4. I have never tried overclocking yet but i certainly will...
5. Sorry retsof... smile
BOINC and intense projects like HPF2 are the best O/C proving grounds available, even better than prime95. If an overclocked machine will run this, it will run anything. Don't try to bite off too much. Increase parameters gradually and watch the chip and mobo temperatures. On the other hand, try a few prime95 first so that you don't build up a long record of error workunits. biggrin

One of my AMD machines with a newer chip sits happily overclocked about 20%. Another one refuses to run faster than stock speed. The overclocked machine runs cooler than the old stock computer. A third is a from-the-store Compaq with Compaq windows. I can't even get to the BIOS at all. Compaq Windows is not to be recommended either since it seems to interfere with e-mail.

AMD had a bit of a stumble at the beginning of the quad core line. Intel won the marketing battle by strapping together a couple of dual cores.
Competition breeds improvement on both sides. Hyperthreading ... R.I.P.
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

Thanks for the advice, retsof!
I may need more later and then I will ask you in the back room. smile
My intention is to take as many precautions as necessary and to stop early enough to avoid returning a single WU in error.
Also I have chosen a mobo which seems to be built for that purpose and is bundled with software to make OC easier and safer. I will see when I will feel ready for it.
Now I am watching the work of the quad under normal conditions under XP. Next I shall install Ubuntu 32 bits and maybe I will try the 64 bits version next. Overclocking will come only after all this is OK for me.

In fact I have built this machine for trying a number of things that I have never tried yet and to pump as many WUs as possible for WCG at the same time. My "old" P4HT is still in good shape and is largely enough for my "normal" activity.

Cheers. Jean.
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

The new X2 is running and contributing workunits..

2/25/2008 5:28:36 PM||Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ [x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3]
2/25/2008 5:28:36 PM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni 3dnow mmx
2/25/2008 5:28:36 PM||OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Professional Edition, (06.00.6000.00)
2/25/2008 5:28:36 PM||Memory: 3.50 GB physical, 7.16 GB virtual
2/25/2008 5:28:36 PM||Disk: 415.04 GB total, 392.74 GB free

2/25/2008 5:29:56 PM||Benchmark results:
2/25/2008 5:29:56 PM|| Number of CPUs: 2
2/25/2008 5:29:56 PM|| 2915 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
2/25/2008 5:29:56 PM|| 5888 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


After I get back from a short trip, I'll play with the overclocking a bit. It's a black edition, so the CPU multiplier is unlocked.

My intention is to take as many precautions as necessary and to stop early enough to avoid returning a single WU in error.
You are still going to see a few. The machine may run a word processor, but BOINC may or may not work at that speed. It could still take a few iterations with BOINC crashing and backing off the O/C bit by bit until it is stable. It should usually die within a few minutes of starting a WU.

I would also suspend any that have some time on them, so that comp time isn't wasted.

The little DDD-T workunits still work the best as a test project, from what we have here. They aren't identical, but they are fairly consistent.
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Re: Would it be difficult to create a Test project?

so tell us how your OC'ing went...


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