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Re: Diversity, tolerance and the WCG community

Give what a rest ? Could you be more specific please ?
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Just give it a rest.
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Re: Diversity, tolerance and the WCG community

This does'nt make any sense.
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Just give it a rest.
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Re: Diversity, tolerance and the WCG community

You`re off topic Retsof in a debate thread where there is bound to be conflict.

If you don`t like the heat get out of the kitchen.

This is a thread for religious debate not one where a Community Advisor keeps parrotting " Polly say`s Shutup". If you require a thread just for you to do so please state I`ll even start it for you so you can repeatedly tell me to shut up.

The fact you like " My view or no view " will not stop freedom of speech, opinions differ live with it.
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OK let`s go onto Religious tolerance here`s some quotes from the Quran from Clay Chips site. Now there are many many different interpretations of the Quaran, as I stated before it is said in the book it should never be translated nor can it be spoken about with people who do not believe of it or mock it. ( I wonder why?)

8 translations of the same text
http://www.clay.smith.name/

005:051 Khan O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
005:051 Maulana O you who believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends of each other. And whoever amongst you takes them for friends he is indeed one of them. Surely Allah guides not the unjust people.
005:051 Pickthal O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
005:051 Rashad O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
005:051 Sarwar Believers, do not consider the Jews and Christians as your intimate friends for they are only friends with each other. Whoever does so will be considered as one of them. God does not guide the unjust people.
005:051 Shakir O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
005:051 Sherali O ye who believe ! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends of each other. And whoso among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily ALLAH guides not the unjust people.
005:051 Yusufali O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.


What about sexual tolerance between Men and women ?

004:034 Section 6: Disagreement between Husband and Wife
004:034 Khan Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
004:034 Maulana Men are the maintainers of women, with what Allah has made some of them to excel others and with what they spend out of their wealth. So the good women are obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded. And (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the beds and chastise them. So if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely Allah is ever Exalted, Great.
004:034 Pickthal Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
004:034 Rashad The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.
004:034 Sarwar Men are the protectors of women because of the greater preference that God has given to some of them and because they financially support them. Among virtuous women are those who are steadfast in prayer and dependable in keeping the secrets that God has protected. Admonish women who disobey (God's laws), do not sleep with them and beat them. If they obey (the laws of God), do not try to find fault in them. God is High and Supreme.
004:034 Shakir Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
004:034 Sherali Men are guardians over women because ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and Great.
004:034 Yusufali Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).


If this were a Muslim forum (yeah right) would women be allowed ? Would it have to be seperated ? Or are they just not good enough to partake of such ?
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Re: Diversity, tolerance and the WCG community

Everyone needs something to believe in.
A few have enough self confidence, though some call it arrogance, to believe in themselves; no matter what.
For the majority, it is something outside of themselves, a higher power... many call it God. No matter what they name their God, it is still their 'higher power' and they feel the need to defend their belief at all costs.
More wars have been fought between those of differing opinions of who's God is greater (or who's God is the 'true' God) than for any other reason.
Until ALL religons accept that EVERYONE has the right to choose for themselves, there will be wars over religon.
Any religon that says, you must "convert or die" loses all credibility with me.
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I'm not sure I understand why everyone is having this debate. I did see the team Islam thread in the team section and saw how members decided to add their own two cents to the thread. The only reason I read the thread is because I saw Nelsoc was the last to post, meaning something was going on. Other than that, I had no interest in the thread and would have never looked at it otherwise. That leads me to a question. If these members have no interest in team Islam and have no interest in joining team Islam, why go to the thread in the first place? If a thread has nothing to do with these individuals, why do they post there? The thread clearly states it is for Islam. So if they do not wish to join team Islam they shouldn't be harrassing people by adding their comments. These individuals are not forum moderators and should not act like they are. I am in no way saying that I agree with what was in the thread, but I am not going to strike out against it either, hijacking the thread. I was not forced to read those threads, neither was anyone else.
Which leads me to my misunderstanding. If people see something they don't like why can't they simply report it to the proper individuals and let them handle it? Is it going to get so bad that there can no longer be any teams affiliated with religion? Should WCG just wipe out the team and chat room forums and only have the help forums? That would be a sad thing, but if members cannot act civil then maybe that will happen
I'm just a member who likes to dedicate my processing power to WCG and surf the forums, trying to have decent conversations with other members and occasionally trying to help out with problems, so what do I know? I'm here for the good of humanity, not to have religious debates.
Feel free to disect my post and bash it however you like.
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As far as I am aware team threads are not private.

The Islam thread seemed only to try to recruit to Islam by posting specific quotes from the Quran. Even in the Christian threads they do not only post scripture.

If I find a book that I find abhorrent, in that it promotes child abuse, sexual inequality and religious intolerance and that book is blatantly being advertised on a forum I use, I speak up. I try to educate these people that think this book good to another view. I point out facts were left out from the quotations used by the postee.

Think about the word forum !

a public meeting or assembly for open discussion


You say leave the moderation to the admin yet you seem to want to judge others, why did you not just report the facts to Admin ?

Is it a question of don`t do as I do, do as I say ?

Question to joneill003

Do you think the quotes above from the Quran promote tolerance ?

Forum rule
Forum posts may not point to a website which features sexual content, gambling, or intolerance of others.


Links from the Islam thread lead to the Quran including the quotes above.
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