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confused Project Completion Estimate?

What is the estimated results needed to complete the project? How many 'points' does that equate to? How fast on our current rate will it take to finish?

Why are these facts not present?
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cool Re: Project Completion Estimate?

Here is the post in "Start Here":
http://worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1312

We need to get some more information from the Institute for Systems Biology before we can start discussing this matter intelligently. There are various considerations.

Soon now.
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Those pointers don`t really tell us anything about the status of the project.

It would already be interesting to see the ratio of handled proteom jobs against unhandled ones (even if the ratio constantly changes because new jobs are created). It can be used to measure the acceleration of the project, and what would be needed to complete it in x amount of time.

Such status information could encourage people to join up to accelerate the computation efforts even more.

Another question I have is why reoprts and results of this research are donated to the US Defence, as described on the ISB website. Why aren`t they donated to the United Nations? This is, after all, a multi-national effort. I sincerely hope I`m not helping the US Defence, because I get some seriously bad feeling about doing medical research for them.
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Re: Project Completion Estimate?

smile Hi a0a

It was reported in a thread by Rick Alther [Admin] or Knreed [Admin] that they are not in possession of all the work units
Apparantly they are supplied in batches, to enable results to be tabulated for each batch, before being returned to the ISB
On return, a new batch is supplied for analysis,
WCG have not been advised of the number of batches left, that require folding to complete this project
I am sure when they know, we will know, please be patient

Regarding your second question
To my knowledge ,the results of this project are not being supplied to the US-DOD
Have you possibly gotten your projects mixed up
I dont seem to be able to locate the information you ellude to seeing over at the ISB, however I did find this:
The Institute for Systems Biology (ISB) is a non-profit research institute dedicated to the study and application of systems biology.
I could not find anything reporting the distributoin of the results generated by the WorldCommunityGrid
Could you please supply a hot link to this Information, or better still copy and paste it into this thread

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a0a --

I think that Lawrence Harding provided the best information available about project progress at this time when he said, "We need to get some more information from the Institute for Systems Biology before we can start discussing this matter intelligently." If you review the forums, you will see that this has been the topic of several inquiries.

There is nothing on the Institute of Systems Biology website that would lead one to think that the results of the project are donated to the United States Department of Defense. This has been discussed in several threads in these forums. This mistaken view appears to have come about because the computer sharing technology being used on the World Community Grid was developed by United Devices. Another organization, Grid.org, also uses this technology. they sponsored a now completed project on smallpox which had, among several other research partners including IBM, the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. That was a different project and a different organization.
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I see what is happening here. [Grin] The Human Proteome Folding Project is the very first project run by the World Community Grid. The 'Projects Showcase' contains references to previous very successful grid computing projects run on http://www.grid.org supported by a number of organizations, including the Department of Defense and IBM. These projects are some of the very first demonstrations that an organization like the World Community Grid can be useful.
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Hey all :D Thanks for reacting so swiftly!

Concerning the batches. Even if it is per batch, it could still be interesting to see some kind of progress bar, and a 'finished batches' counter, to see what has been done, and how fast it goes. Of course without a real oversight on how many batches will come that still doesn't tell us mich on overall project progress..

It would be nice to know if the number of batches that the admins had to supply had to speed up considerably given that the number of returned results also drastically climbed in the past week.

Concerning the misinterpretation from my part, you're right, I probably mix things up. Grid.org has been the portal through which I visit WCG. It's easier to remember and shorter to type. So I fell through some links and saw that results were being presented to the US DOD. It's not allways easy to see who's responsible for what exactly, but I think I get it now. Thanks for clearing things up!! :):)
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I am also very interested in seeing the amount of work that is left to be completed. This will give a real sense of progress. I had participated in the United Devices project until my interest wained as the project just kept going on and on with rare updates.

Ultimately, I think every one likes progress bars. And we all want to know that our precious computer time is dedicated to the best possible project with the greatest impact.
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Re: Project Completion Estimate?

Dear All,

while I appreciate your desire to get progress reports - we are all interested - I believe the dedicated Rick Alter said it best on another thread:

We will post overall project progress when we know it.

Keep in mind that there are several factors which currently prohibit us from knowing the overall progress:

  • Really, this is ISB's project. They're the ones that have all the data that will eventually be put onto the grid. Without knowing what this amount is, we can't gague our progress at all. However, we are in contact with ISB to determine what a rough estimate will be.

  • Remember that this is also a joint project with United Devices. The overall progress is a combination of their grid and our grid against the total data that has to be processed. We have to obtain their progress information as well.

  • Finally, we've just begun sending results back to ISB to verify and post-process. It's not simply a matter of sending individual workunit results back. Results from blocks of workunits make up a single result for a single protein. Both us and UD acquire blocks of proteins as we need them to keep our queues full. We must wait until an entire block of proteins are complete before sending them back to ISB for verification and post-processing. This is strictly for logistical reasons.




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Re: Project Completion Estimate?

For all of you who have been waiting for it, the project manager for the World Community Grid has posted an item in the Member News Forum with an update from the Institute for Systems Biology on project progress. You can see it at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1594.
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