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Sgt.Joe
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Yea, CompUSA just pulled out of Minnesota too. BTW, I see they are just shipping 1T drives so if you got dough to upgrade, you could get by with just 3 drives and make 3T in the box. No word yet on reliability. Keep us updated on your adventures in machine building.
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Sekerob
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An article on getting biggest bang for the bug: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=539&tag=nl.e622
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Former Member
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Speaking of mobos, what ever happened to BTX being the new wave of the future? I know they are out there, but just not catching on yet? It just seems like ATX doesn't want to give in. Still very popular.
----------------------------------------My sister bought a Gateway (AMD X2 3800+, I'll be travelling down to visit over July 4th weekend, and do some BOINC installation while I am there ) tower and it has BTX technology. I was impressed. One 120MM fan in the front (doesn't even have a fan on the processor heatsink!!), and of course a fan in the PSU. And even running full tilt, it stays nice and cool; even better, it stays quiet.There are some fairly new Dell towers at the lab I work at that are also BTX, but I haven't been able to use one yet. But looking around on the net, most of the mobos on sale are ATX, same for cases. Maybe it will just take a while for BTX to hit the market big time. Anybody out there own a BTX mobo? Any pro's and con's from experience? I'd really like to get one for my next machine (not in the near future, I am sorry to say )Added: twilyth how is the new rig? Getting lots of wu's crunched I hope! [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 15, 2007 9:22:47 PM] |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Speaking of mobos, what ever happened to BTX being the new wave of the future? I know they are out there, but just not catching on yet? . . . . . . Added: twilyth how is the new rig? Getting lots of wu's crunched I hope! Hey, thanks for posting - I almost missed this. I'd never even heard of BTX til you mentioned it. Looked it up on Wikipedia and seems pretty interesting. If utility rates continue to climb - with oil prices rising and people still having a visceral reaction to nuclear power (eventhough the new pebble bed reactors are meltdown proof), I think BTX just may start to catch up. However with upgrade cycles getting stretched out, it will probably take a while. If there's any hope, it will be in the next 6 to 9 months when Microstiffie releases the first service patch for Vista. Most people won't touch it with a 10 foot pole til then. A lot of experts are even saying that Vista SP1 will be the real Vista since MS released it way too early - half-baked one might say. Sorry if this offends anyone but that's what I got from PC Magazine and they definitely have their finger on the pulse of the industry. I sometimes have stretches of several day and even weeks where I'm pretty much a basket case and recent weeks have been on the rough side. I just put all the pieces together yesterday and installed boinc (I've b*tched about boinc a lot but it runs ok on dual core machines even though it still ignores your idle preferences). I used the hard drive from a slower computer but it wouldn't boot so I had to do an "upgrade" and reinstall Win XP over the existing installation. This screwed up a couple of drivers (like a cd emulator) but otherwise everything went smoothly and the puppy is cranking out work units. I was disappointed that the bios for the m/b gave me absolutely no overclocking options whatsoever, but that's what you get for going low budget. It's ok though, it still beats the pants off the old machine. It also has an option for tv out but I'll have to try to track down the m/b connector I need. This machine is in my "family" room where the tv is so it might be something to check out - either that or get a graphics card for this - right now i'm using the on-board graphics. The old machine is currently out of commission. I tried to install the o/s on the 10 gig drive I transplanted into it but i can't get it to boot from the dvd drive. The bios sees it but it won't boot from it. ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
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If there's any hope, it will be in the next 6 to 9 months when Microstiffie releases the first service patch for Vista. Most people won't touch it with a 10 foot pole til then. I agree with you there. Vista is just too new for me at the moment. My sister in law is getting ready to buy a new laptop for college, and I requested play time with it before she leaves since it will have Vista (and an opportunity to add another cruncher to my small fleet ). But for me, XP is still plenty good enough for now. (I've b*tched about boinc a lot but it runs ok on dual core machines even though it still ignores your idle preferences). I couldn't tell you about idle preferences. I just leave mine going 24/7. ...otherwise everything went smoothly and the puppy is cranking out work units. good to hear your system is happily crunching. I'm sure that thing will add some nice stats to your daily totals I was disappointed that the bios for the m/b gave me absolutely no overclocking options whatsoever I enjoy some good overclocking, but in most cases, if I even do it, it is just around 5%. I usually won't try anything higher. I did read an interesting article on Toms Hardware about a 2.66 Pentium D processor that they were able to successfully overclock to 4.1GHz. I don't think the stock cooler handled it if I remember right though. They got aftermarket. The old machine is currently out of commission. I tried to install the o/s on the 10 gig drive I transplanted into it but i can't get it to boot from the dvd drive. The bios sees it but it won't boot from it. Does the BIOS not see the hard drive or DVD drive? Jumper settings perhaps? Maybe a bad cable, or worse, a bad header on the mobo? |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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----------------------------------------Boinc is supposed to let you tell it to chill out when the computer is in use. You set the amount of time it should be idle before it starts crunching but it ignores this. The problem is supposed to be fixed with the next release. I've often fantasized about getting a water cooling unit and playing with the voltage settings but I'm not that hard core of a tweaker. The problem with the cd is interesting. When I had the HDD and the DVD on the same cable in a master/slave config, it wouldn't recognize either of them. When I put each on their own cable as a master, it recognized both. The HDD is on the first IDE channel and the dvd is on the second. What I'll probably do is create the 8 or 9 floppies for you need for an XP install and do it that way. Then I should be able to see if the o/s can also see the drive. Or I might just try swapping the cables or breaking out a new cable. I deal with cr@p like this all the time - it just goes with the territory when all of your machines are home built and always being fiddled with. Thanks for the advise. ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
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Sorry to hear about the old computer problems. I understand completely. Hope that hard drive/CD rom problem can be easily fixed.
On a lighter note, I hear BOINC 5.10 is going to be officially recommended, so that might fix the problems. Water cooling sounds nice, but I don't know if I would set one of those up myself. Knowing my luck I would mess it up and puncture a line somewhere, then go to turn it on and there goes the whole thing in a puff of smoke! I'll stick with air cooling for now. |
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The Hitachi 1TB drives are selling for $449. Now if I only had $449
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If you belong to Costco - check out Western Digital My Book Pro II for $349. Unfortunately my recent experiences with WD and Maxtor drives has been negative. A 300 gig Maxtor has at least 50 gig of bad sectors as does a 500 gig WD. I ran the Acronis disk director program on the WD to find the bad clusters and tag them. It ran for over 3 DAYS before I finally aborted it - that's just mind boggling to me. I'm sticking with Seagate for now. They have a nice 750gig external with networking capability on sale at Costco (with coupon) for $249 ($30 coupon). Sale ends this week so I'm going to try to get out there since I need something until I can get a replacement for the WD - I so dread dealing with tech support on these things, but I don't have a choice.
----------------------------------------What's your worst home-brewed CPU experience? Ever experience the dreaded "blue smoke"? Once I was trying to stuff and IC into a socket and was actually tempted to reach for a hammer. It finally occurred to me that maybe I was doing something wrong. The urge to reach for construction tools when "building" a computer is usually a hint - one of the many lessons I've learned the hard way. ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by twilyth at Jun 21, 2007 9:08:39 PM] |
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Former Member
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Yeah I have learned the hard way, and been reassured on several occasions, that computers run on smoke. When you let the smoke out, they don't work anymore. Most of my problems have been PSUs blowing up in my face. I used to work on HP computers for factory warranty repairs and those little slim-line machines get bad PSUs all the time. Sometimes all I had to do was plug it in and it would blow up right then and there, other times, when I hit the power button it would blow up. Always good times there.
I agree about Maxtor. Not a fan at all. I have had good luck with WD and better luck with Seagate, so Seagate it is for me. I like their 7200.10 3GB/s SATA series, although they get pretty toasty under load. I try to get a hard drive cooler or throw a case fan next to the drives to keep them cooled off. If I ever find a drive with bad sectors it goes right in the trash. I don't even bother with them unless there is a warranty or something, then I get it replaced. I am a member of Costco actually, but every time I go in there I usually end up ogling the 46" Sony LCD TV I want. knock on wood, so far I have been pretty error-free in my home computer building experiences. I have tempted disaster too. I've worn socks and stood on carpet. I have never rubbed a balloon on my head and touched a stick of ram though. Maybe one of the old PC100 sticks I have laying around. That might be a fun experiment ![]() |
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