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Former Member
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also try zipzoomfly, i've had good luck with them. between free shipping and no sales tax
to NJ anyway even though their advertised price might be a little more, the overall cost is lower. i agree with joneill003 your psu might be low especially considering the amount of ram you have there. here's a guide for that. what OS are you going to use? xp or linux? |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I got everything already - bought from Newegg. I checked out Zipzoomfly for the cpu. It was about $5 cheaper. If Newegg starts to charge a significant premium I'll definitely do my shopping elsewhere, but so far their prices seem to be near the low end of the spectrum. Also, I really like their web site - especially the customer reviews. Plus, they have such a huge selection, I can almost always get all of the parts or electronics I want in a single order. For example, this last time I also ordered a Siig SATA PCIx card, a Sony memory stick and a microSD card. These aren't uncommon items, but they had exactly the items and brands that I wanted. They're also really good about letting you know if something is in stock and they have a very good RMA service.
----------------------------------------I also checked out the wattage chart. I had to extrapolate in couple cases, but I think my peak load should be under 250watts. If the p/s can't handle it, then I'll have to upgrade that part too I guess. I'm running win xp on all machines - even an old AMD K6. I jumped on the XP bandwagon pretty early on just because Win 98 and ME where so freakin' squirrelly. XP has its flaws, but running the same o/s on all 7 machines has it's advantages. I'm not going to tackle Vista until AT LEAST after the first service pack. I do want to try out Ubuntu but I won't have the time or energy for that for a while. I was really out of it for most of the Fall and Winter and it's just in the past few months that I've managed to dig myself at least part ways out of my hole. Thanks for the recommendations and info. Additional comments are also welcome since I'm starting to gear up for the AMD Barcelona release - hopefully in 3 or 4 months. For example, has anyone heard if Barcelona will REALLY be compatible with AM2 motherboards? I read somewhere that there will have to be some changes to fully support the chip but that if you pop it into an AM2 m/b it should still work - even if not at peak capacity. ![]() ![]() |
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cargod01
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<SNIP> For example, has anyone heard if Barcelona will REALLY be compatible with AM2 motherboards? I read somewhere that there will have to be some changes to fully support the chip but that if you pop it into an AM2 m/b it should still work - even if not at peak capacity. I hear that rumor, but it 'might' require a BIOS update at minimum. I don't know if AMD has even decided for sure. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
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<SNIP> For example, has anyone heard if Barcelona will REALLY be compatible with AM2 motherboards? I read somewhere that there will have to be some changes to fully support the chip but that if you pop it into an AM2 m/b it should still work - even if not at peak capacity. I hear that rumor, but it 'might' require a BIOS update at minimum. I don't know if AMD has even decided for sure. That reminds me of the C2D, it worked on the same socket 775 mobos along with the Pemtium D's, but if I remember right, there was specific bios versions needed to be there, and also I vaguely remember something about it had to be a certain chipset or newer, which some mobos didn't have at the time. The AM2 socket is still fairly new, but coming out with a completely new chip might require a new socket. But if it brings out the true performance of the processor then we will have to smile and hand over the money for new boards. I am still using a couple of socket 754's and they work great. It's been a couple years since I have had enough dough to put together a nice new system. You might also want to look around for more RAM. Another 1GB will perk up that system quite a bit sometimes you can find great deals on memory. Tigerdirect has occasional deals, as does newegg. You can also try places like pricewatch.com, but watch out for the memory. Some of that stuff is pretty generic. I like to stick to something that I know like Corsair or Crucial brands. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It's probably going to be an expensive proposition, but its the only vice I allow myself (more or less) so I try not to feel too guilty. I have never bought the first iteration of a new chip, but I think I'll make an exception with the Barcelona. If AMD decides to ask for some ridiculous price - anything over 800 or 900, then I might hold off. The Intel double dual cores are selling for around this price so AMD should market the Barcelona at or near what Intel is getting - even though the AMD chip will be a true quad core. Plus they don't have the marketing muscle to bend us over the way Intel does - or at least used to.
----------------------------------------I'm thinking about going for 4gig of DDR-1200 depending on what the prices are like. Although I'm sure 2 1 gig chips in a dual channel config should also be good. I normally get the cheapest generic memory I can find but last time I got Patriot DDR2 sticks. They have a slightly more agressive timings and seem to have been working ok. Although it's possible some of the problems i've been blaming on the bios are at least in part memory related. I finally turned off the overclocking AI on the Asus motherboard and the system has been much more stable even under very heavy loads (dl'ing from usenet, video conversion, parity file integrity checks and winrar archive operations - all at the same time). Previously the system would crash at some point before I could get all of these operations going. I may even decide to give RAID a try. By then, the 500gig drives should be selling for around $150 to $200 so I might be able to afford to set up a RAID 5 config. I've had bad luck lately with maxtor and western digital so from now on I'm sticking to seagate. The last drive I bought was a Baccaruda. Haven't tried it out yet - hopefully later today. ![]() ![]() |
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Plus they don't have the marketing muscle to bend us over the way Intel does - or at least used to. That was pretty good. Very true. Intel is still a standard name out there, but AMD definitely has a little more of the market, and even better, people are a little more educated about them and know they are comparable to the mighty Intel Processor. Each chip maker has benefits and drawbacks, but in the end it's all good because competition means better deals for all of us! I like the Seagates, they have been good to me so far (knock on wood). The 7200.10 series (perpendicular recording) seems to get a little warmer than the 7200.9 series, but as long as you have adequate cooling it should be good. Sounds like with all those processor intensive apps running, you'll need the quad-core. Me, I'd spend the money and let it sit and do nothing but crunch wu's all day with the occasional email checking. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Sounds like with all those processor intensive apps running, you'll need the quad-core. Me, I'd spend the money and let it sit and do nothing but crunch wu's all day with the occasional email checking.I really do want it to run boinc - the rest is just a rationalization. I mean yeah, I will do other stuff with it too and it will be nice to run things in half the time - or less, but the idea of doing 15 wu on one machine in one day gets me really pumped. It's hard being such a geek, but at least I know there are other people who can relate. Gentlemen . . . start your engines!!! ![]() ![]() |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Well, starting putting the parts together for my new machine and it looks like I won't be able to use my existing power supply. I forgot that the newer m/b's require a 12volt ATX connector in addition to the standard connector and the old grey mare ain't got one.
----------------------------------------Looks like I'll be going out to CompUSA to see what they have on offer. They've got some good p/s's at decent prices at their web site so we'll see what kind of inventory my local store has. I'm glad I got the Gigabyte AM2 m/b. My other AM2 based machine has been acting flaky and I'm not sure why. I did just recently install the latest XP patch from MicroStiffy so that's always a possibility. Now at least I'll be able to compare system stability with a similar dual core system and see if the problem is hardware or software. Granted, it's not a definitive test, but if the gigabyte m/b doesn't flake out when attempting the same types of operations, I'll have to look more closely at the bios version on the Asus AM2 machine. Maybe go back to the previous version. Another possibility is that the Asus machine is overtaxed. It's got a 500watt p/s but it also has 6 7200 rpm drives and 2gig of memory. Plus the CPU fan/heatsink is huge - only slightly smaller than a bread box. And then there are the 4 120mm case fans. So if it looks like a hardware problem, I'll swap out one or 2 of the lower capacity drives. I'd like to have 3 terabytes on one machine, but I'd also like my own private island in the South Pacific - and we know that's not going to happen either. ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
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CompUSA? They still have those around?!? I used to work in one. Horrible. Only stayed as long as I did for the discounts. I could still find stuff cheaper online usually. They shut them all down around here in the Northern Virginia area recently. They couldn't keep up with competition I guess.
----------------------------------------Wow you have some serious storage in those machines. I was going to suggest you check the bios version on your ASUS board but I guess you already thought of that. Maybe it was just a flaky bios, or maybe the bios flash didn't quite work correctly. I tend to keep away from any beta versions as well. I leave that for the more adventurous people. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 24, 2007 5:14:09 PM] |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Moi? Adventurous? No thank you. I've shot myself in the foot so many times I'm getting a bullseye tattooed on it. If you're going to be a masochist, you may as well take some pride in your avocation.
----------------------------------------And I'm not talking about keeping up with the latest tech - just trying to avoid falling too far behind. You were dead on about comp usa. I drove out to the store - or rather the structure where the store used to be - and was greeted by security gates. No lights, no signs, nada. I hadn't been there in several months - looks like that was true for a lot of other folks too. Fortunately there are a few private PC stores around. I got a no-name power supply (520watt) for $70. That's probably $20-30 more than what I would have paid online, but not outrageous. I just hope it doesn't squeal like pig at a BBQ. As long as it's reasonably quiet I'll be happy. If I've got the mojo, I'll try to get everything hooked up this evening. ![]() ![]() |
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