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Thread: Update forums to mvnforum 1.0 G.A or some other forum software |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Steady on, please - both of you.
Questioning authority is good, although I do like to think things run a lot better here than at grid.org. However, the most rabid cynics are the Community Advisors. We cheerfully point out the flaws in the system, and constantly nag the staff about all sorts of things. Amazing they put up with us, really. WCG keep their promises, but boy - the mills of IBM grind exceeeedingly slowly. And just to straighten out what Lawrence said earlier: WCG will be reexamining the forum issue later this year. If things go well, it is possible that a forum upgrade will be scheduled for this year - but my money's on next year. Oh - and thanks for the compliments. We appreciate it. :-D |
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Former Member
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Hi all,
----------------------------------------Glad to see a hot, sweaty discussion on the subject. Well, the problem as always boils down to how much functionality, looks et al. The team I represent is team Techenclave. To put it simply, most of us are technology geeks & I have seen the forum being upgraded atleast 3-4 times within the period. Each time it was either a skin change (as an option) or some more functionality added to the forum without sacrificing the time needed to browse. Now lemme give a concrete example as to why I think the forums need upgrading. Sekerob gave pretty good stats in the 12th post (believe me, I had to count there is no self-counting feature, neither does it have a self-linking hyperlink) Now I am having an issue with checkpointing in Boinc Agent & hence gave this search :- https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/...&forum=83&rows=20 Now while I was able to roundabout that there are 111 posts. Do you think I or any user would have the patience or the time to go through all of them or learn some kind of regex so I can fine-tune what I want. What would have been a much better solution would have been to be able to say look for 'checkpoint' in the titles only & not everywhere else which would have given lets say 15-20 posts which are more easy to look through. Time saved for both the user as well as the volunteer. Another point what is the deal with having a watch page as well as favorite page. What is additional there in the favorite which is not there in the watch option. Even the documentation provided by mvnforum https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/....html#user_watches_change is silent about it. While it gives info. about the watch page as such it doesn't mention at all about the favorite page. And you can see where am I going. Instead of the forum being an enabler & being easy in the sense, it's transparent & I just need to worry about the issue I am having I get distressed about how things work. Of course each forum software would have some innovation or some different way of doing things but usability is a big thing nowadays with each forum software. I could cite a dozen references of different forum softwares both in the free software world, as well as non-free as it makes it competitve. So what happens in the end is I basically have to start to make a new post even though there might be a post which addresses my concern fully and would be doing that right after posting this long one. Thank you for your patience in reading so far. Feel free to attack, comment, make suggestions as that is what its all for :) Another point, the more later one delays the more difficult it becomes to do the overhauling as things have changed so much (either skins, format or structure in the way data is kept) and things like that which makes the whole thing stagnant. I'm not being pessimist but have seen boards, communities shifting loyalties for things like this too. Just as an use-case scenario if big bro. Google decides tomorrow to give a better interface for grid computing experience using phpbb or some other free/open source implementation, have an informal IRC channel. and have wikiwiki or some other wiki software I'm sure a bunch of people would just move to that. It's the reason why the forum softwares are constantly tweaking, updating, upgrading the softwares in the first place. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 15, 2007 8:29:29 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I was thinking somebody would respond to my post above but apparently people have decided to give that one a miss :(
Anyway I'm still hopeful that things do turn out better. Just so that people also know mvnforum is also hosted at sourceforge. http://sourceforge.net/projects/mvnforum/ The last update on the CVS occurring about a month back so things are active there. Hopefully we see some action on this part & can make some kind of disintegration or loose integration so in the future we can upgrade the forum software more flexibly :) Hope some people do respond to this one atleast :) Happy Crunching ! |
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Former Member
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I was thinking somebody would respond to my post above but apparently people have decided to give that one a miss :( ...you do not read much do you? It was stated in the post above your last two -! And just to straighten out what Lawrence said earlier: WCG will be reexamining the forum issue later this year. If things go well, it is possible that a forum upgrade will be scheduled for this year - but my money's on next year. so someone DID respond! |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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shirish,
----------------------------------------What you say on the current implementation of mvnForum is true and probably every forum user agrees. This subject has been beaten to death. The WCG support team has explained many times that the current implementation has been customized to a point that makes mere upgrades inappropriate. Since this is usually the case with too much customization I have no reason to not believe them. Therefore the upgrading/replacement of this software has become such a task that it cannot be handled "on the fly" and it becomes a project in itself, competing with all others in the priority list. Since there are more important projects in the list (i.e. closer to the core of the grid's purpose) and the forum is still able to achieve its basic communication purpose this project is rather low in the list Too bad but, personally, I think that we can live with that and trust the WCG staff when they say that they want to do it and that they will do it. After all they are the primary users of this software and suffer from it too, no? I do not see much more to say that would add anything useful to that subject except that I am not much convinced by your scenario of crowds fleeing to another grid just because it would have a better forum software and nicer other communication features: something you underestimate by far (also because the current forum software does not make it easy to evaluate) is the number of people who simply crunch, do not use the forum, do not even read it, and even much more, are not even registered to it!  I hope you feel less abandoned now. Jean. |
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Sekerob
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Checked for you guys and the 2007 planner update after Didactylos' response includes a forum upgrade.... in the same period when a phase ii project launch is scheduled. Which of the 2 will cause most fever to get it out?
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Checked for you guys and the 2007 planner update after Didactylos' response includes a forum upgrade.... in the same period when a phase ii project launch is scheduled. Which of the 2 will cause most fever to get it out? OK, the project should win - obviously. But are you giving us real hope for a 2007 upgrade? Just want to make sure I'm not reading anything into your post. Should I go out now and get a bottle of Veuve Clicquot?   |
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Former Member
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It's tentative, but that's the plan.
Expect it late 2007. There are a few things scheduled before it. |
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Sekerob
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.... OK, the project should win - obviously. But are you giving us real hope for a 2007 upgrade? Just want to make sure I'm not reading anything into your post. Should I go out now and get a bottle of Veuve Clicquot? The procrastinators should 'check' their calendar towards the end of the year, if they can bring themselves to do that. By that time the  'should' be ready for the ritual opening. Otherwise, we have more compelling reasons to drink it anyway. 
WCG
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Former Member
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Hi all,
Sorry for reopening a 'beaten to death' thread, but mvnforum got an upgrade 4 days back. Features in 1.1 GA , there is now an Enterprise & a community version (I guess) 30 new Features: * [enterprise] Add Album feature (similar to Google Picasa Web) * [enterprise] Add Poll feature * [enterprise] Add Applet to upload the screenshot * [enterprise] Built-in support LDAP (OpenLDAP, Active Directory), any attribute can be configured to be stored in database or LDAP * [enterprise] Sub category, now category can be child of any other category * [enterprise] Support Request Private Forums * [enterprise] Support Watch Email Gateway (reply to a thread via email) * [enterprise] Add Banned IP Management * [enterprise] Add Banned Username Management * [enterprise] Add Banned Email Management * [enterprise] Add Banned Word Management * [enterprise] Add Event Log Management * [enterprise] Add Report Statistics * XHTML 1.0 Compliant [cool] * Internationalize the Admin area [cool] * Support permission Moderate User (can reset avatar, reset signature, disable user, etc) * Support max password day, now user will be reminded if he did not change password in n day * Search post now support sorting by Relevance, Date Ascending or Date Descending * Support Quick Reply in viewthread * Search attachment * Support send mail using built-in SMTP Mail Server * [Security] Support checking max posts per hour per member name * Admin can now edit the CSS file and see the preview of the changes * Split a thread into 2 threads * Add config in mvncore.xml so that user can add customized TimerTask * Add new page to list attachments * Support Regulation page before registration (enable it in mvnforum.xml with key ) * Support Single (non-digest) Watch option * Support who are browsing a thread or a forum * Support the owner of forum. The owner has full permission on his forum 23 Improvements: * When update the configuration files (mvnforum.xml, mvncore.xml), we also reload it * Add help of the mvnCode (BB Code) * Now can compile with JDK 1.6 (JDBC4 issue) * Add help when change thread status, now user can see help of active/disabled/locked, closed thread * Support Easy Watching: mvnForum show if you are watching thread/forum/category or not * After login, we redirected to the previous page * Add prettify.js to enable highlight of source code when add post * Major changes in the initialization code, now move from UserForumServlet to LifeCycleService classes * Add support for always activated email in some cases for integration with other systems * Now we can upload many attachment files at the same time * Add help icon to explain the combined permission * When add post, we can have option to set ThreadPriority * After addpost, jump to new post: add #postID to the link (addpostsuccess.jsp) * Change the command in each post in viewthread to use icon * Add new parameter watch_email in mvnforum.xml, now watch email will be sent from this account * Add new icon legends for threads and forums * Add many options in mvnforum.xml to show/hide each information of member * Add many options in mvnforum.xml to require or make optional each member field when registering * Now check current password in the customized authentication is supported * Add javascript to enable the button when user use the Back button of browser * Use default relative path in mvnforum.xml and log4j.properties * Support image thumbnail in viewthread page * Add option in mvnforum.xml to support default WatchType 6 Bug Fixed: * Fix fatal error in RSS page if forum/category is not existed * Now add timestamp for all captcha to prevent caching * If the forum does not has any thread, the icon should show no new thread * Clear MemberCache when update member avatar or signature * does not update the statistics of threads/posts in listforums when adding new post * Now allow edit forum name and category name with different case Library Updates: * Now require JDK 1.4 * Add Aspirin * Add DNSJava 2.0.5 * Upgrade JavaMail from version 1.3.3_01 to 1.4.1 * Upgrade Log4J from version 1.2.8 to 1.2.15 * Upgrade Common Logging from version 1.0.1 to 1.1.1 * Upgrade Common Lang from version 2.0 to 2.3 * Upgrade Common IO from version 1.1 to 1.3.2 * Upgrade Common Codec from version 1.1 to 1.3 * Upgrade Common BeanUtils from version 1.4.1 to 1.7.0 * Upgrade MySql driver Connector/J from version 3.1.13 to 3.1.14 * Upgrade JTDS driver from version 1.2.1 to 1.2.2 * Upgrade postgreSQL driver from version 8.2-506.jdbc3 to 8.2-507.jdbc3 * Upgrade hsqldb driver from version 1.8.0.7 to 1.8.0.9 * Upgrade WhirlyCache from version 0.7.1 to 1.0.1 * Upgrade Java Activation Framework from version 1.0 to 1.0.2 * Upgrade Lucene from version 1.4.3 to 2.2.0 I know its going to be pain, but if somebody can look into it would be nice. |
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