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Diana G.
Master Cruncher Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 3003 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Any idiot can set up a forum - this is true. But WCG have no less than three user databases to keep properly integrated, for three different systems - the website/forum, UD and BOINC. Also, the forum software has been significantly customised. I know WCG would love to fix the forum - we nag them about it often enough! But give them their dues - they all work extremely hard keeping the grid running and keeping the flow of new projects going. You've seen them right here, burning the midnight oil fixing things. We only see this extra effort when things go wrong, but all the staff show similar dedication when getting things done without the spotlight on them. The forum regulars are numbered in hundreds, whereas the grid contributors number many, many thousands. I'm sure you understand why "the forums work - sort of" will have to do for now. The good news is that WCG will be looking at the forum problems again later this year. Didactylos, excellent answer. I don't really even understand all the complaints. Finally, is it really necessary to sync the forum database with the other 2? I'm not saying don't authenticate users, but if the forum database isn't always in sync with the others, would that really be so bad? If it would make the transition easier, it's something to consider. twilyth, how many more complainers would come out of the woodwork if this were the case? WCG is awesome! The Tech's and Advisors are first rate. The scientists and research is Top notch. So, please stop picking at the little things and keep crunching the important things.  Diana G.  |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Looked it up yesterday:
----------------------------------------91,400 Forum posts including 66,500 Unique logged in visitors (22.6% of total members) 41,800 Team Posts (45.7% of total posts) 13,500 Chat Room posts (14,8% of total posts) There were: 4,925 unique forum posters < 700 that managed more than 9 contributions 4,200 'creations' by the Top poster (4.6% of total posts) 27,700 by the top 10 posters. (30.3% of total posts) And best of all.... the 91,400 posts are still there for all to read up on the WCG history in progress! 77.4% of the members that ever returned a result, never logged in to the forum or traversed from the My Grid pages to the forum. I can live with the 'cruft', whatever the fineries of this word intends to express.
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Diane G. twilyth, how many more complainers would come out of the woodwork if this were the case? I like WCG too, but I hope we don't get the same kind of mindless loyalty that was so rampant at Grorg. People didn't want to hear ANYTHING negative about UD or Grid and if you had the temerity to raise your voice you got labeled a PITA or worse. But it looks like the complainers - so called - were right in that case - weren't they? I'm not comparing WCG to UD, but just because someone raises a suggestion or wants an explanation for why certain things are or aren't being done doesn't mean they deserve to be attacked. Anyone who wants to attack me is welcome - I couldn't care less. But other people see this and don't add their voice to the discussion. If you think I shouldn't be bringing this up and asking why the software isn't being upgraded - no problem - but don't start putting labels on me unless you want to be on the receiving end of the same sort of attack. This is a civil discussion and I will do my best to keep it that way, but if people are going to start throwing labels around - I CAN DO THAT TOO.   |
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WCG is awesome! The Tech's and Advisors are first rate. The scientists and research is Top notch. So, please stop picking at the little things and keep crunching the important things. Diana G. Now that sort of statement comes straight out of the mouths of Oliviathefirst and Jar Serafin at UD....total blind loyalty without a single thought of real life! |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If one of the 'problems' is the 'linking' of the forum with the operational side of crunching, such that if you are logged into one then you are logged into the other....then why not simplify and 'ditch' that feature? To my way of thinking if the crunch side goes down and takes the forum with it, then users cannot log into the forum to see what is happening, which you could do if they were seperated. Having forums that do not rely on another part of WCG would mean that they can be updated easily and tested easily without also having to test that there has been no impact on the 'crunching' side....and vice versa!  I don't know if this is the reason, but maybe they want to keep them in sync as a way of doing user authentication. But if that IS the reason, there are easier, although less perfect, ways of doing that. With mainframes using old VSAM files for online data, we would have either a copy of the file that would be updated or one update file and a read-only link to the original file. The only downside is that anyone who registers on the data crunching side wouldn't be able to immediately post to the forum. But I don't see how that would be a major problem. If it is, then just send them a temporary userid. Once the forum DB is updated you would expire the temp id and send them a message to sign in as usual. Keeping everything in sync is nice, but this isn't a real time application where that is something anyone should be wasting a lot of time worrying about. |
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Former Member
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Hello twilyth,
----------------------------------------We began talking about upgrading the Forum in early 2005. It came up again at the beginning of this year. A whole bunch of ideas were thrown into the pot and bbover3 consulted with the staff, taking 2 months to decide just what the priorities were. Changing the Forum software was one of the ideas that ended up in Category 4 - the lowest priority that will never be done this year. My favorite - revamping the statistics to only count active members and active computers - ended up in the same trash heap. The staff want to work on projects and new projects and also on making things easier for new members. But improving some things that are working well enough but constantly irritate me is just not going to be done soon. I can't really argue against this since they seem to be overworked just doing the things that they want to do - which I admit are important. Lawrence Added: Didactylos has justly rebuked me for losing track. It is Category 3, which might happen. Considering all else that has to be done, I have a hard time believing it will, but I was letting my disappointment make me too pessimistic. That is the second time in the last month I have shot off my mouth incorrectly.  [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 14, 2007 10:16:16 PM] |
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Former Member
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Look again, Lawrence: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/privateviewthread?thread=13005
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Diana G.
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WCG is awesome! The Tech's and Advisors are first rate. The scientists and research is Top notch. So, please stop picking at the little things and keep crunching the important things. Diana G. Now that sort of statement comes straight out of the mouths of Oliviathefirst and Jar Serafin at UD....total blind loyalty without a single thought of real life! Hi Scribe. I can say those words with confidence because they have proven themselves over and over to know what they are doing. They help the members with all their needs in a timely way. They give excellent counsel. They have yet to ignore anyone. They have repeatedly given the same answers over and over and over to those who keep asking the same questions over and over and over without using the search or help button first. They continue to let everyone know what it is they are doing. They post all the info in the Member News and Known Issues in a timely manner with exactly what happened, and what their plan of action is. And they FOLLOW THROUGH. What am I missing that puts me in the blind loyalty section? Do you feel that WCG has let you down in some way and you have cause to want to oust the help? I have seen nothing in the 2 yrs I have been here to give me any doubts about their abilities to be Community Advisors or Tech's. The Scientist post for us as well with what has become of our results. Do you not see how that kind of track record would cause me to be happy with WCG? God bless you, Scribe. Diana G. |
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Diana G.
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Diane G. twilyth, how many more complainers would come out of the woodwork if this were the case? I like WCG too, but I hope we don't get the same kind of mindless loyalty that was so rampant at Grorg. People didn't want to hear ANYTHING negative about UD or Grid and if you had the temerity to raise your voice you got labeled a PITA or worse. But it looks like the complainers - so called - were right in that case - weren't they? I'm not comparing WCG to UD, but just because someone raises a suggestion or wants an explanation for why certain things are or aren't being done doesn't mean they deserve to be attacked. Anyone who wants to attack me is welcome - I couldn't care less. But other people see this and don't add their voice to the discussion. If you think I shouldn't be bringing this up and asking why the software isn't being upgraded - no problem - but don't start putting labels on me unless you want to be on the receiving end of the same sort of attack. This is a civil discussion and I will do my best to keep it that way, but if people are going to start throwing labels around - I CAN DO THAT TOO. twilyth sure you can voice your opinions. I have seen how much you put your abilities up to the staff to choose you to help them fix this issue. I just haven't seen them give you the stick to run with it. I trust them to upgrade the software just like they say they are going to. What is a little patience among friends. All I am saying is I am glad you are here for the month and half you have crunched with us. Many more happy crunchings in the future :-) But really it all boils down to patience my friend. I understand you might have trust issues from your former crunching, but take time to see how consistant the staff is and let trust build. Have an awesome evening Diana G. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Diane G. - you just started sounding like some of the herd animals we had to deal with when we (me, Scribe, Sekerob, et al.) were with the Grorg. I didn't pick that nick-name for no reason (see Star Trek - Next Generation - the Borg if you need a frame of reference). Maybe you don't fall into that category. You sound more circumspect than what I'm accustomed to. My point was it doesn't serve any purpose to call someone "a complainer" just because they question the status quo - even if that sq happens to be in Nirvana (ok, well . . . relatively speaking . . . Grorg'ers will understand).
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