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Password restrictions make account manager not work

i am using boincstats as an account manager
i have been a member of almost every project on boinc for years but have only recently tried an account manager
my password for every other project is the same
but i can't make boincstats communicate with world community grid because your password restrictions force me to have a different password on world community grid
I always get a "No response from project" error in boincstats because the passwords don't match
my password contains '/'... and your system won't accept it
i really wish it did... makes passwords more secure

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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

Correct.... certain characters are not permitted in the WCG password. Also BAM is read only for WCG. Some time in the future there maybe be write permission too, but it's complicated because WCG is a hybrid. It started here with WCG(UD) agent and BOINC was added as second agent as option.
Password Format Requirements:
Projects History6 characters minimum (alphanumeric: A-Z, a-z, 0-9)
Projects History15 characters maximum
Projects HistoryNo "special" characters (!@#$%^&*_+=:;, etc...)

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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

WCG had to integrate a number of password systems to make all these systems work together.

Perhaps pick a longer password, that doesn't use that character? Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

did you see how many projects i'm working on... i refuse to change my password on all them just to comply with wcm (because the use of that restricted character makes my password harder to crack!)... it would just take too much effort... why cant wcm match the quality of the other projects if they want to work on boinc?
this is not a matter of choosing a better password... this is a matter of choosing better software
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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

Really... far as i know WCG is the only one who uses https for safe communication. Besides it's a hoax to think that the special characters give better security..... who would want to use e.g. brute force to crack the BOINC account passwords and what if, could one do with it?

As for refusing to change your password to comply with WCG rules (IBM for your information who is the approver for all to get onto their network servers).... what with the marvel of BAM stops u to change the other X at the push of a button?..... silly me, that is not possible to do blushing
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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

Wow, talk about spreading yourself thinly! I see the attraction of crunching for multiple projects, but surely there has to be some sort of selection? This isn't Pokemon - gotta crunch em all!

We've explained the technical limitations, apologised - really, there is nothing else we can do. Sorry again.

You can connect to WCG manually, if you want. WCG don't have full account manager support yet.
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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

it isn't that much of a hoax... it does cause a need for slightly more complex crack algorithms... nothing really hard to do... but it does cut down on the number of cracking apps that might get in
you are right though... it's not like this is critical info :)
it is a bit of an annoyance to have to change the other passwords just so bam will work with wcm... and i'm new to bam... just learning how it works
see i'm used to managing all my projects and systems by hand... another reason i didn't want to have to change the password... i know the one i'm using... i allways have to look up what i used for wcm
IBM has had a few good ideas :) but thay have done as many dumb things as most tech type companies (like sony backing the betamax way back when)
i do network/server admin and security and programming/web dev... i understand the need for complex, long passwords that change regularly, contain no dictionary words, containing characters in {a-z, A-Z, 0-9} and `~!@#$%^&*()-_=+\|[{]};:'",<.>/?
there are good reasons for it (like greater character set takes longer to bruteforce)
I didn't realize that wcm were using an IBM system (i'm assuming some flavor of *nix... which i have never had give me a restriction like that) that caused this restriction... i thought it was just a matter of poorly designed authentication software... but i guess since it's IBM it's gotta be good
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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

yeah... spread a little thin... but i have a lot of machines... and y not try to help everybody out?
i'm also working on some ideas on a distributed computing core... rather than having to split up a project into sections and serve to machines to work on... actual shared resources... the more systems you have connected the more powerful the whole gets... it's a ways off but boinc was a study step
and i don't want to sound like i'm just complaining and bitching about the password... those were jokes in my last post not cheep shots (sorry... most ppl don't get my humor even in person... or maybe i'm just not that funny...)
i just like that password i was using on the other projects... i know if i'm really worried about secure passwords i should change it regularly anyway...
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Re: Password restrictions make account manager not work

Ooops, you have it backwards....

WCG (not wcm!) is run by IBM - it's an IBM initiative, with IBM staff. However, the software they use comes from many places. The first grid system they started out with is the United Devices system (same as is used at grid.org). This, to be blunt, has a few issues. This password restriction would be one of them. IBM have worked some minor miracles in making the easy to use UD software play nice with the powerful and open source BOINC. This is the back end systems I'm talking about. The agent software is just the tip of the iceberg.

So, yes, many of us really hate the bugs and proprietary nature of United Devices. However, until recently it was the easiest option for clueless users to install and run. Plus it has pretty graphics.

Anyway, now we know one of the characters in your password, it is less secure than ever before. Change it! ;-)
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