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trevorcolby00
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Now here's an oddity...I thought my new Phenom box completed Dengue modules in about half the time of Rice modules whilst on my Intel boxes it was the reverse...but my 'Beast' with it's two quad core Xeons does Dengue quicker too. Could it be that multi-core CPUs process this stuff very differently to single-core CPUs? try to use dengue or cancer and see what happens. and do not forget : using a Quad core wont crunch any WU faster than a single core CPU. See it like this : It takes nine month for a baby to be born once the "Job" is done  instead of getting one baby after nine months, you get four instead. But it still takes nine months for the process.  |
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Retsof 'learned me up'. It's all down to the Rice modules which are doled out in 8 hour lumps regardless of processing power so the other modules are being done in the appropriate timeframes according to processor ooomph.
Has encouraged me to look at some of my 'veteran' boxes since I have one that is taking over a day for a Dengue task. Might be a candidate for gutting and upgrading 'for research purposes' (in case my wife reads this). |
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trevorcolby00
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Hey ho. I can't crunch any faster unless I leave my quad core on 24/7. At the moment it's only on when I'm working on it... What are you saving it for? Mine are running 24/7.Two other friends have Mac boat anchors. The whole machines died ... no partial replacements on those things ... all or nothing. There are more quad cores coming in from the bigger teams, so we're going to slip a little. you can fix a mac but if the 2 years warranty is over, you need to have some knowlwdge to fix it by yourself. I did it once to an 3G mac a couple of years ago. Was not so easy but it worked. More Quads from other teams ? not wjen I cant prevent that - bought a P35 board for € 60, 2 GB RAM for 50, and an ATI 3650 GFX card for 68. and I now have to chioce a CPU - I didnt ordered one yet. I think of an Q 9450 Quad. Or any other suggestions please ? I think it could help us a bit. I was thinking of an AMD system but when it comes to money and a lot of CPU power then a Phenom seemed to me a bit overprized to me compared to an intel Quad. |
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My Phenom Quad box was put together on a budget and the M/Board, CPU and PSU came to less than £300. Of course I did go a bit overboard with 2xATI cards so I could use CrossFire for some high end graphical gaming.
Could probably saved on the PSU if I had been sensible about the graphics but not by much. Pushes out Dengue modules in about 4 hours unless I'm hammering the box with some games when it can stretch out to 5 hours. Even at that I'm getting 12 results a day from it in a mixed project environment. |
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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hey ho. I can't crunch any faster unless I leave my quad core on 24/7. At the moment it's only on when I'm working on it... What are you saving it for? Mine are running 24/7.My girlfriend doesn't approve of it being on all the time..., and since she's paying half the electric... pah! There's also something to be said for the stability on the components on the system when it runs all of the time. How much will it cost your girlfriend to buy half of a new one? A couple of mine are cranky, so it takes SEVERAL TIMES to get the boot sequence to work correctly, but they are fine when they are running ... there's the equivalent of the day's power right there. That means a little more dust to deal with over the course of the year, but they have to be rebooted every month for Mickeysoft update day anyway. As long as one is shut off, I can blow the dust out. If lightning is threatening, I will turn them off softly, so that they don't take a hard crash. Friday, June 27, 2008 Thursday, June 26, 2008 Wednesday, June 25, 2008 Statistics Date/Total Run Time/Points/Results ____________(y:d:h:m:s)_Generated_Returned Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 131:126:16:49:05 (#109) Points Generated (Rank) 48,904,409 (#111) Results Returned (Rank) 167,496 (#97) 06/27/2008 0:042:23:38:18 79,063 131 06/26/2008 0:041:23:43:25 82,574 129 06/25/2008 0:049:03:59:04 96,853 150 daily run time, approximately top 50 vulture days in run time order, 59 days, 12 hours or more through Saturday, June 7 2008 daily points, approximately top 50 vulture days in point order, 91,514 more points through Friday, June 27 2008 05/29/2007 0:149:00:19:05 234,322 849 1st with Base Camp contribution 05/28/2007 0:150:21:19:23 229,296 770 2nd with Base Camp contribution 05/30/2007 0:111:09:11:25 134,013 661 3rd with Base Camp contribution 05/27/2007 0:100:22:57:12 126,063 516 4th with Base Camp contribution 06/01/2007 0:111:01:20:37 122,995 561 5th with Base Camp contribution 05/31/2007 0:098:22:11:03 121,827 603 6th with Base Camp contribution 05/24/2007 0:099:12:33:36 120,929 448 7th with Base Camp contribution 05/25/2007 0:096:15:23:50 120,737 445 8th with Base Camp contribution 05/26/2007 0:107:21:17:22 119,861 487 9th with Base Camp contribution 05/11/2008 0:064:19:43:02 115,049 251 10th 06/16/2008 0:058:15:44:23 112,021 177 05/26/2008 0:067:20:01:12 111,357 193 05/23/2007 0:088:06:28:17 108,028 389 with Base Camp contribution 03/04/2008 0:066:12:51:45 106,557 518 05/25/2008 0:059:02:24:10 104,396 177 06/17/2008 0:054:22:52:02 104,295 165 06/02/2007 0:092:21:09:17 104,106 494 with Base Camp contribution 06/03/2008 0:062:07:21:53 103,237 181 06/19/2008 0:052:11:41:28 101,292 164 05/12/2008 0:059:08:38:18 101,102 212 03/29/2008 0:066:03:22:39 98,896 205 04/27/2008 0:057:11:03:41 98,879 177 06/07/2008 0:059:12:00:15 98,736 173 11/16/2007 0:063:20:15:51 98,498 339 05/28/2008 0:057:09:55:39 98,177 169 06/05/2008 0:057:06:08:51 98,168 170 06/25/2008 0:049:03:59:04 96,853 150 <----- 02/10/2008 0:063:00:31:34 96,845 538 03/22/2008 0:059:11:54:47 96,712 184 12/06/2007 0:069:07:54:37 97,970 350 04/10/2008 0:063:02:56:30 96,879 169 04/28/2008 0:058:06:40:39 96,637 169 06/18/2008 0:049:11:13:46 95,538 159 04/29/2008 0:055:00:21:24 95,048 165 03/31/2008 0:058:02:11:04 95,039 173 05/31/2008 0:054:15:49:01 94,498 163 05/27/2008 0:055:01:24:54 94,299 171 02/14/2008 0:062:02:45:48 94,135 516 06/23/2008 0:052:06:21:15 93,932 146 01/14/2008 0:061:22:22:58 93,876 315 04/25/2008 0:057:01:37:38 93,722 156 05/20/2008 0:062:17:48:47 92,939 172 02/07/2008 0:065:17:23:46 92,911 428 06/14/2008 0:048:05:20:00 92,885 148 02/08/2008 0:062:10:39:17 92,722 448 02/09/2008 0:063:00:29:19 92,716 527 06/06/2008 0:058:15:16:03 92,626 158 04/26/2008 0:061:20:19:11 92,495 163 05/21/2008 0:057:00:30:05 92,216 171 05/15/2008 0:057:16:27:10 92,122 181 06/15/2008 0:044:21:01:12 91,592 153 daily results, (approximately top 50 vulture days in result order, 319 or more results through Wednesday, March 5, 2008
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Penny wise, pound foolish. It's probably not a whole lot more for the whole day than the power surges when you boot it up... !!!! That really could not be less true! In fact, I shall do some simple maths to prove it My system uses ~250 Watts whilst running with the CPU at 100%, and takes about 30 seconds to boot up. Even if it used the maximum wall-socket power output of 3120 Watts for those 30 seconds (which I can assure you it doesn't... more like about 180 Watts, in fact), that would be: 3120*30 = 93600 joules. And in terms of normal running, the equivalent amount of energy would be used up in: 93600/250 = 374 seconds = ~6 minutes. What power surges are you talking about? Spinning up the hard disks? That uses about 10 Watts per drive. There's also something to be said for the stability on the components on the system when it runs all of the time. How much will it cost your girlfriend to buy half of a new one My computer is switched on only once on any day it gets switched on at all. Once it's on, it stays on. And besides, you really have to go berserk on the power cycling for this to be a serious issue.. I've had a couple of hard disk failures in my time, but by the time that's happened I've long since bought a new drive and the data is replicated. |
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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The problem in that power consumption formula is the validation of that 250 watts usage, as seen in other threads having the same problem of "excess computer usage". One of my power supplies is industrial strength, and rated at 400 watts. That doesn't mean that that one computer is using 400 watts. I am not going to give an alternate number, because I don't know what it is.
----------------------------------------I have three other active computers, also running at 24/7 for WCG. My bill might be a bit larger, but not obviously so. There are a lot of base charges in addition to the actual cost of electricity. Suppose that the base charge was $40.00 and the cost of electricity was $1.00. If I double my electricity usage, my next bill would be $42.00. That is oversimplistic, since my bill is more than that. More usage can also cause a different usage bracket. Saturday, June 28, 2008 Statistics Date/Total Run Time/Points/Results ____________(y:d:h:m:s)_Generated_Returned 06/29/2008 0:056:03:33:25 111,683 161 06/28/2008 0:048:17:53:40 98,873 150 daily run time, approximately top 50 vulture days in run time order, 59 days, 12 hours or more through Saturday, June 7 2008 daily points, approximately top 50 vulture days in point order, 91,593 more points through Saturday, June 28 2008 05/29/2007 0:149:00:19:05 234,322 849 1st with Base Camp contribution 05/28/2007 0:150:21:19:23 229,296 770 2nd with Base Camp contribution 05/30/2007 0:111:09:11:25 134,013 661 3rd with Base Camp contribution 05/27/2007 0:100:22:57:12 126,063 516 4th with Base Camp contribution 06/01/2007 0:111:01:20:37 122,995 561 5th with Base Camp contribution 05/31/2007 0:098:22:11:03 121,827 603 6th with Base Camp contribution 05/24/2007 0:099:12:33:36 120,929 448 7th with Base Camp contribution 05/25/2007 0:096:15:23:50 120,737 445 8th with Base Camp contribution 05/26/2007 0:107:21:17:22 119,861 487 9th with Base Camp contribution 05/11/2008 0:064:19:43:02 115,049 251 10th 06/16/2008 0:058:15:44:23 112,021 177 05/26/2008 0:067:20:01:12 111,357 193 05/23/2007 0:088:06:28:17 108,028 389 with Base Camp contribution 03/04/2008 0:066:12:51:45 106,557 518 05/25/2008 0:059:02:24:10 104,396 177 06/17/2008 0:054:22:52:02 104,295 165 06/02/2007 0:092:21:09:17 104,106 494 with Base Camp contribution 06/03/2008 0:062:07:21:53 103,237 181 06/19/2008 0:052:11:41:28 101,292 164 05/12/2008 0:059:08:38:18 101,102 212 03/29/2008 0:066:03:22:39 98,896 205 04/27/2008 0:057:11:03:41 98,879 177 06/28/2008 0:048:17:53:40 98,873 150 <----- 06/07/2008 0:059:12:00:15 98,736 173 11/16/2007 0:063:20:15:51 98,498 339 05/28/2008 0:057:09:55:39 98,177 169 06/05/2008 0:057:06:08:51 98,168 170 06/25/2008 0:049:03:59:04 96,853 150 02/10/2008 0:063:00:31:34 96,845 538 03/22/2008 0:059:11:54:47 96,712 184 12/06/2007 0:069:07:54:37 97,970 350 04/10/2008 0:063:02:56:30 96,879 169 04/28/2008 0:058:06:40:39 96,637 169 06/18/2008 0:049:11:13:46 95,538 159 04/29/2008 0:055:00:21:24 95,048 165 03/31/2008 0:058:02:11:04 95,039 173 05/31/2008 0:054:15:49:01 94,498 163 05/27/2008 0:055:01:24:54 94,299 171 02/14/2008 0:062:02:45:48 94,135 516 06/23/2008 0:052:06:21:15 93,932 146 01/14/2008 0:061:22:22:58 93,876 315 04/25/2008 0:057:01:37:38 93,722 156 05/20/2008 0:062:17:48:47 92,939 172 02/07/2008 0:065:17:23:46 92,911 428 06/14/2008 0:048:05:20:00 92,885 148 02/08/2008 0:062:10:39:17 92,722 448 02/09/2008 0:063:00:29:19 92,716 527 06/06/2008 0:058:15:16:03 92,626 158 04/26/2008 0:061:20:19:11 92,495 163 05/21/2008 0:057:00:30:05 92,216 171 05/15/2008 0:057:16:27:10 92,122 181 daily results, (approximately top 50 vulture days in result order, 319 or more results through Wednesday, March 5, 2008
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retsof
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More computer power!!! wonder where that came from...
----------------------------------------Sunday, June 29, 2008 Statistics Date/Total Run Time/Points/Results ____________(y:d:h:m:s)_Generated_Returned Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 131:231:14:16:10 (#109) Points Generated (Rank) 49,114,965 (#110) improved 1 level Results Returned (Rank) 167,807 (#97) 06/29/2008 0:056:03:33:25 111,683 161 daily run time, approximately top 50 vulture days in run time order, 59 days, 12 hours or more through Saturday, June 7 2008 daily points, approximately top 50 vulture days in point order, 92,123 more points through Sun, June 29 2008 05/29/2007 0:149:00:19:05 234,322 849 1st with Base Camp contribution 05/28/2007 0:150:21:19:23 229,296 770 2nd with Base Camp contribution 05/30/2007 0:111:09:11:25 134,013 661 3rd with Base Camp contribution 05/27/2007 0:100:22:57:12 126,063 516 4th with Base Camp contribution 06/01/2007 0:111:01:20:37 122,995 561 5th with Base Camp contribution 05/31/2007 0:098:22:11:03 121,827 603 6th with Base Camp contribution 05/24/2007 0:099:12:33:36 120,929 448 7th with Base Camp contribution 05/25/2007 0:096:15:23:50 120,737 445 8th with Base Camp contribution 05/26/2007 0:107:21:17:22 119,861 487 9th with Base Camp contribution 05/11/2008 0:064:19:43:02 115,049 251 10th 06/16/2008 0:058:15:44:23 112,021 177 06/29/2008 0:056:03:33:25 111,683 161 <----- 05/26/2008 0:067:20:01:12 111,357 193 05/23/2007 0:088:06:28:17 108,028 389 with Base Camp contribution 03/04/2008 0:066:12:51:45 106,557 518 05/25/2008 0:059:02:24:10 104,396 177 06/17/2008 0:054:22:52:02 104,295 165 06/02/2007 0:092:21:09:17 104,106 494 with Base Camp contribution 06/03/2008 0:062:07:21:53 103,237 181 06/19/2008 0:052:11:41:28 101,292 164 05/12/2008 0:059:08:38:18 101,102 212 03/29/2008 0:066:03:22:39 98,896 205 04/27/2008 0:057:11:03:41 98,879 177 06/28/2008 0:048:17:53:40 98,873 150 06/07/2008 0:059:12:00:15 98,736 173 11/16/2007 0:063:20:15:51 98,498 339 05/28/2008 0:057:09:55:39 98,177 169 06/05/2008 0:057:06:08:51 98,168 170 06/25/2008 0:049:03:59:04 96,853 150 02/10/2008 0:063:00:31:34 96,845 538 03/22/2008 0:059:11:54:47 96,712 184 12/06/2007 0:069:07:54:37 97,970 350 04/10/2008 0:063:02:56:30 96,879 169 04/28/2008 0:058:06:40:39 96,637 169 06/18/2008 0:049:11:13:46 95,538 159 04/29/2008 0:055:00:21:24 95,048 165 03/31/2008 0:058:02:11:04 95,039 173 05/31/2008 0:054:15:49:01 94,498 163 05/27/2008 0:055:01:24:54 94,299 171 02/14/2008 0:062:02:45:48 94,135 516 06/23/2008 0:052:06:21:15 93,932 146 01/14/2008 0:061:22:22:58 93,876 315 04/25/2008 0:057:01:37:38 93,722 156 05/20/2008 0:062:17:48:47 92,939 172 02/07/2008 0:065:17:23:46 92,911 428 06/14/2008 0:048:05:20:00 92,885 148 02/08/2008 0:062:10:39:17 92,722 448 02/09/2008 0:063:00:29:19 92,716 527 06/06/2008 0:058:15:16:03 92,626 158 04/26/2008 0:061:20:19:11 92,495 163 05/21/2008 0:057:00:30:05 92,216 171 daily results, (approximately top 50 vulture days in result order, 319 or more results through Wednesday, March 5, 2008
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The problem in that power consumption formula is the validation of that 250 watts usage, as seen in other threads having the same problem of "excess computer usage". One of my power supplies is industrial strength, and rated at 400 watts. That doesn't mean that that one computer is using 400 watts. I am not going to give an alternate number, because I don't know what it is. The wattages I quoted are measured at the wall socket on a "kill-a-watt" meter. My actual PSU is a Corsair PSU rated at 520 watts. These meters are well worth spending the £10 on... it'll give you total kilowatt hours, V/A, Power Factor, etc. Quite interesting... in the last month my quad core used 62 kWh, which is about 1/5 of all the electricity my house uses in a month (bill is about £40 a month). Also, last month I was away for about 10 days, so normally it would have used more. Anyway, you'll be glad to know I managed to run my quad for quite a while over the weekend, which might explain some of that extra processing that got done |
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Good man, 'damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead'
Working on a 'one in-one out' philosophy for tidying things up here. Got a couple of laptops flogging themselves to death for 3-4 results a day and I may take them offline and replace them with another quad. Neither know nor care what it will do to the power usage but I should push towards 100 per day for results. Also got a Dual Pentium II server that desperately needs to be retired (and replaced?). Once I've got the machines to good spec I can start running some training courses from home and expand my IT Services, well I can at least dream. |
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