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schepers
Advanced Cruncher Canada Joined: Oct 11, 2006 Post Count: 85 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I do not quite understand the 'simulated' part... is it an HT? If in fact 2 processes run - software wise - on 1 CPU I'd be interested how the OS handles that. Yes, he must be using an HT Pentium 4, as they only simulate a second CPU. There's no other way that I know of the run two BOINC tasks. You can run two simultaneous BOINC tasks, but you only gain about a 10% processing advantage overall. I run some of my Pentium 4 systems as a dual processor to get the 10% advantage. HT is no more, now that we have true dual/quad-core CPU's. [Edit 1 times, last edit by schepers at Feb 13, 2007 3:59:00 PM] |
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Wilgard
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Dec 15, 2005 Post Count: 83 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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That it, I have solve the problem !
----------------------------------------BOINC read et write a lot of data in run time. On my usb disk BOINC have a size of 13 MB but my problem is that my usb disk is too slow. I thought that the read /write were done every 30 secondes or 60 secondes. But in fact NO. The agent read data all the time. So, the solution is to move the files on the computer disk , to execute it when I am on my computer and to remove it on my usb disk when I want to leave my computer. In fact when the agent is moved on the computer disk the agent is always at 100%. So, the problem come from the usb disk whish is too slow on read /write but it was not due to the agent. Thanks to the community advisor for advice. Enjoy =) ![]() |
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schepers
Advanced Cruncher Canada Joined: Oct 11, 2006 Post Count: 85 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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...my usb disk is too slow. I thought that the read /write were done every 30 secondes or 60 secondes. But in fact NO. The agent read data all the time. Just in point of fact, a USB keys lifespan will be greatly reduced by constant re-writing of data to it. I doubt that simply reading data will be a problem, but writing is. USB memory has a limited number of rewrites. I wonder what FILEMON (from SYSINTERNALS) would show for access to BOINC files, when monitored over a few tens of minutes? |
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schepers
Advanced Cruncher Canada Joined: Oct 11, 2006 Post Count: 85 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I wonder what FILEMON (from SYSINTERNALS) would show for access to BOINC files, when monitored over a few tens of minutes? Update: I tried FILEMON and was quite surprised by the file activity from BOINC. It is almost constantly reading and updating one of it's STATE files (client_state_next.xml, then renamed to client_state.xml) every few seconds. Since this file can be "large" by USB key standards (mine is over 100Kb), this constant access and rewriting will cause definite issues on slower devices. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
This file and the mother "client_state.xml " are key to BOINC housekeeping & e.g. Crash Recovery
----------------------------------------and is written to or read up to 10 times per second.... potentially 864,000 a day. (Sorry for all the edits.....the net is very intermittent after the A'dam hop)
WCG
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schepers
Advanced Cruncher Canada Joined: Oct 11, 2006 Post Count: 85 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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...are key to BOINC housekeeping & e.g. Crash Recovery and is written to or read up to 10 times per second.... potentially 864,000 a day. This is a major difference between UD and BOINC. UD is very memory bound, with very little HD interaction except for checkpoints. Don't you think that the number of re-writes of the state files is excessive? I can see keeping things in memory for a few minutes, and writing periodically, but not this constant in/out traffic. Now, even if BOINC didn't read/write so much, I would still not install it on a key. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Whether it actually hits the disk cache or the disk itself i don't know, but it u think it to be an issue to delve into,
----------------------------------------make a post over at BOINC dev forum. It's been broached upon before.
WCG
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7854 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I was able to sucessfully run BOINC on a USB key, but gave it up because I was getting what I considered too many FAAH jobs which returned errors(about 25%) after an apparent successful completion. I was attempting to utilize a machine which had no internet connection. I think the speed of the machine the jobs were crunched on varied so greatly from the speed of the machine which did the downloading and uploading that it confused BOINC. Some of the credits also appeared to turn into outliers, being wildly out of place compared with the others. I never experienced any problems while the jobs were running, but did learn it probably was not the best idea I ever tried.
----------------------------------------Cheers Sgt.Joe Minnesota Crunchers
Sgt. Joe
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Wrote up a 14 step sneaker-net like sequence in response to a Movieman question a few weeks ago on porting work to idle machines whilst the net is down and posted somewhere (5 minutes penning and not tried). The steps included copying the entirely BOINC structure and file set to hard disk.
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WCG
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