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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Svetick,
----------------------------------------I totally disagree with your comments on the "estate" tax. And your logic that your comments, because you make them, are correct vs a report from a news stations. Lets not go there as to the validity of any of the current news stations including but not limited to Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC or CBS. They have all become news channels for their own means to an end. As for your take on the “Estate Tax” Which public is it which agrees with being taxed a second time on money that a dead individual has earned during their lifetime? It is the property of their family, not the governments. The government has no claim due to the death of an individual to tax their entire wealth a second time just because it can. I for one work to build wealth for my family. This wealth I hope will be passed down to my kids and my grand children, not people who are unwilling to get out and work to make theirs and their own families comforts. A tax which taxes the dead should be called what it is, not some fuzzy covered name like estate tax, it is a Death Tax. My opinion as to why it is called an “Estate Tax” is it give the sound that only the rich are burdened with this taxe because most common people feel they don’t have “Estates”, which they do. And they do find out when thier loved ones who have worked all their lives pass away, to leave them little due to the governments greedy hands. Oh and another error in your retoric. the tax was established in 1916. Estate Tax Primer Non-American Death Taxes... To top that off most states in the 80's enacted thier own Death Tax to gather more income to squander. [Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Dec 28, 2004 1:53:28 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
svetick
You obviously missed the general point I was making. I will use what the leftist use against anyone that does not agree with them "You must not be informed if you do not like my view." Then again I will not because I will be mature, and understand there are other views. I respect the views even though I may disagree. Truth is that Protocol is designed by politicians, and yes even Euro politicians as God like as they are can be power mongers. The protocol would stall are economy greatly and on purpose. Allowing them to attempt to be more challenging to our economy I will be for any policy that is against this potential economic attack. I am very interested in our planet, so I am for cleaner air, water, soil, and safety via technological improvements at a reasonable pace not an extremists pace. I am for the California huge emissions cut not because of the green army, but because we need to get out the old fart combustion engines. It is common sense our population is exploding, so we need trains, buses, cars, and so on. Besides I am for anything that lessens our dependence on other nations. Switching to a new engine and supporting better mass transportation would help the economy, and help the environment. This is truth I have argued it with professors, newsgroups, and bloggers. This is a place however for like minded people so I will be sure to end my part of the discussion with this post. Hey got a Bush calendar in the mail! Anyone else get one? |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Would love a calendar...
BTW: those that teach can not do... It a long time standing issue during my entire life which has always proven true, so dont even bother. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I am very interested in our planet, so I am for cleaner air, water, soil, and safety via technological improvements at a reasonable pace not an extremists pace. Feasability of Ethanol TODAY! An extremists pace? How about a pace that prevents global devestation? I don't think that any humanitarian actually desires the collapse of an economy, but they realize the reprocussions of prioritizing profit over sustainability. About half of all vehicles in Brazil use pure ethanol fuel TODAY. Since this adoption of a wiser policy the air quality has improved, and the grain farming industry in Brazil threatens ours. Why would it take the richest nation in the world longer to implement something like this than overpopulated cities in 3rd World Brazil? This change alone would put us FAR PAST what is needed for the Kyoto Protocals and would aid in eliminating foreign dependencies in favor of our dwindling local farm culture. I do not appreciate the implication that you are nobly allowing me to keep my perspective while you have your own. Science is not about perspective, it is about obtaining non-biased information about objective reality. So lets look at the evidence. Read the reality rather than nod your heads at the emotionally fueled Fox commentary. and remember that SCIENCE IS NOT OUT TO DESTROY YOUR ECONOMY because it has no goal but for the advance of science and furthering of knowledge! What a political group may do with science is purely their own agenda, not that of science. Am I right Republicans for Science? We are living during round 2 of globalization; the first being the great spice trade wars. The reason that Spain, Portugal, Italy, & the Duch communities all lost out to the English Empire was due to a simple cap on the rich. Once you become so wealthy in said nation your wealth goes to the community which defends your trade routes and promotes your overall wealth. The general difference my debaters don't seem to see is an economic/limited resource equation. 1776: Adam Smith (father of capitalism) = What is best for everyone is when the individuals fight to gain what is best for themselves. 1950: John Nash (you remember "A Beautiful Mind", right?) = What is best for the individual is chosing both what is best for yourself & everyone else as well. Welcome to the 21st century. So, lets not twist reality to gain what is best for a few. Impoverished Brazilians are paying to convert their own cars for the advantage of their own shanty town families. I would be pleased to go for a decade without a president that has a million or billion dollar interest in the petroleum industry, but hey I use my vote and do my best to remain aware. If you call that leftist bcarter, or liberal like so many Republicans typically do- just remember I am not out to destroy you but to spread verifiable reality. However, I won't back down if you feel threatened by the truth.  |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Just as a point of view on this. The Kyoto Protocol is a treaty not science, therefore it is political. Just happens to have environmental issues as a topic.
I see your point on distribution of wealth svetick, but I guess that is were I (not the republican party) disagree totally. Guess I am a capitalist more than a Republican, and you are a socialist more than a Democrat. That would be a fair statement probably. I think if you work for it you should be able to keep it and do what you want to with it. Riddle me this... Charities get 97% of all their monies from people which have a household income of over $120,000. They also pay more than 90% of all taxes collected. So beside the added taxes these people have to pay, and not have any say as to where the charity goes, they still give more. In my mind wealth distributes itself, maybe not to the extent you would, as where everyone has the same pay scale, but it still does. This does not include the added value that the "wealthy" provide jobs to others which in a socialist environment could be added to as charity or donations. So to make a totally hot potato statement, does this mean that wealthy people are more generous and tend to give more than the middle class??? I’m a simple bee keeper, I have worked up to 400 hives, this provided me an income of well over $120k. So I guess I can make money and help the environment…  I also donate a 10% tithe to the Church I belong to, besides these donations I give specific charities which have a proven track record of getting the money into the hands of the needy. SO maybe I am a liberal capitalist...  |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I am a liberal...who loves guns...and thinks almost all the "alternate" forms of energy are bull.
Just because you are a republican or liberal does not mean we can't agree on some things! |
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