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Sekerob
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Here's a global 'All-DCs' BOINC report of various OSses that are running around: http://www.boincstats.com/stats/host_os_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0
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WCG already support OSX and BSD. The other Unixes are in a tiny minority. If so many of them are (as you claim) available for this kind of work, then I would expect to see a lot more of them running the largest BOINC project, SETI. They are conspicuous only by their absence, so I think your reasoning is faulty. Just because you have a few machines spare, does not translate globally. I looked at BOINCSynergy, and they agree with BOINCstats. All of the platforms you are talking about have less than 200 hosts - and some of them are inactive, or have low RAC (much lower, for example, than the Windows Server hosts). I see no compelling case for adding them as supported platforms at all. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen any time soon.
And WCG have already explained why the science application source isn't available. Please accept that. WCG applications require more rigorous testing and security auditing before WCG can release them. It takes time. You may be able to do it in a couple of days, but it's that initial porting we are discussing here - not just for one project, but for five, and for dozens of different platforms (different architectures, too) - with more projects coming online all the time. Several man months is probably a conservative estimate. |
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Former Member
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The porting did not need about several man month. You are joking. I have made the several SETI and SIMAP ports after work at my spare time. For the inital porting and testing about 1 to 2 weeks for each application. For the furhter portings to a new platform about 2 days if it is working everything well. Okay, I'll use your time estimates. WCG have five projects active, with more on the way. Let's call it six projects to port, since old ones won't need porting but ones that are just coming through the pipeline will need porting. Then let's assume that WCG target just half a dozen of the Unixes you have listed. That's 36 builds to create and maintain. At one to two weeks per project, plus a further (2 x 5) days (another 2 weeks) to port to the other platforms per project, that adds up to.... 24 to 36 weeks. That's six months! Personally, going by past porting efforts, I suspect it will take closer to several man months per project. |
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zombie67 [MM]
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And WCG have already explained why the science application source isn't available. Please accept that. Of course we accept that, it's not like we have much of a choice. However, that does not make the reasoning behind the decision correct. Nor does it mean that the decision will never change. And if no one pushes, it will never happen.  |
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Dotsch
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Don't know how you are calculating the number of hosts. SETI has 3700 Solaris, 2300 FreeBSD, 200 HPUX, 150 Irix and about 200 other Unix systems listed in the stats.
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It's not so much a decision as something forced on WCG by lawyers and the owners of the software involved. There are some very complicated documents making WCG's use of the software possible. Asking for entirely open source would probably be a step too far.
Nothing would make WCG (and me) happier than a project coming through the pipeline which is already genuinely open source. |
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Dotsch
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And if no one pushes, it will never happen. But there is still a good hope. Not all projects think so. |
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zombie67 [MM]
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WCG already support OSX and BSD. The other Unixes are in a tiny minority. If so many of them are (as you claim) available for this kind of work, then I would expect to see a lot more of them running the largest BOINC project, SETI. They are conspicuous only by their absence, so I think your reasoning is faulty. Just because you have a few machines spare, does not translate globally. I looked at BOINCSynergy, and they agree with BOINCstats. All of the platforms you are talking about have less than 200 hosts - and some of them are inactive, or have low RAC (much lower, for example, than the Windows Server hosts). I see no compelling case for adding them as supported platforms at all. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen any time soon. FYI, your numbers are *way* off. I just went to BOINCStats, and looked up the numbers for SETI alone: 3707 SunOS (AKA Solaris) 2293 FreeBSD 199 HP-UX 112 IRIX64 109 AIX 79 OpenBSD 42 IRIX 34 NetBSD That's over 6500 hosts. [Edit 1 times, last edit by zombie67 at Jan 5, 2007 5:17:17 PM] |
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Don't know how you are calculating the number of hosts. SETI has 3700 Solaris, 2300 FreeBSD, 200 HPUX, 150 Irix and about 200 other Unix systems listed in the stats. My bad, I missed SunOS. WCG already support (indirectly) FreeBSD. However, my point stands. I examined the SETI breakdown, and WCG support more than 99.5% of the hosts running at SETI. |
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Dotsch
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However, my point stands. I examined the SETI breakdown, and WCG support more than 99.5% of the hosts running at SETI. But as I would explain you in my last posting, the number of hosts is small, but the throughtput is high, if you compare the RACs. |
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