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Former Member
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. . . . . . . . . . carried forward from the posts in GC: Differences between Genome Comparison and BOINCSimap
I agree and it's already started! Earlier I tried to find the global warming compu site but was unsucessful that's how I got here. That's also the reason I looked several times at the "projects page" but only find four projects. How is it that the Global Warming grid cumputing is not also here in WCG? "Climate prediction uses the same underlying software, BOINC, as many other distributed computing projects. If you like, you can participate in more than one project at a time. [go to BOINC/ climateprediction.net download page]" Is this a splintering of grid projects and thining of efforts that is being witnessed? Hello Two questions above! |
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Sekerob
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Well....., there is a post by bbover3 here , which discusses that, but as in the past, what has been proposed in projects to WCG, what is being reviewed, what is actually prepped for launching, including the one for December and the 6 new once scheduled in 2007 can not be revealed, other than by permission from the project owners..... that's 7 additions for the coming 13 months...... that's lots and lots on the plate to prepare, test, beta and go life and maintain.
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zombie67 [MM]
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: May 26, 2006 Post Count: 228 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Earlier I tried to find the global warming compu site but was unsucessful that's how I got here. WCG (which has several sub-projects) is only one of many BOINC projects. If you want to see all the BOINC projects, go to: http://www.boincstats.com/ There are three climate projects listed: http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=cce http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=cpdn http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=sap Just click on the project icon at the top of each page to go to that project.  |
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Former Member
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Earlier I tried to find the global warming compu site but was unsucessful that's how I got here. WCG (which has several sub-projects) is only one of many BOINC projects. If you want to see all the BOINC projects, go to: http://www.boincstats.com/ There are three climate projects listed: http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=cce http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=cpdn http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=sap Just click on the project icon at the top of each page to go to that project. The other climate projects get plenty of crunch time: http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=bo Go to the pie graph at the bottom. Climate Prediction (11.5%) + BBC Climate Change (5.8%) = 17.3% of all BOINC projects (WCG coming in at 1.8%). Granted that does not take into account the UD agent, but they still have their fair share of crunching time/users/hosts. |
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Former Member
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. . . . . . . . . . carried forward from the posts in GC: Differences between Genome Comparison and BOINCSimap I agree and it's already started! Earlier I tried to find the global warming compu site but was unsucessful that's how I got here. That's also the reason I looked several times at the "projects page" but only find four projects. How is it that the Global Warming grid cumputing is not also here in WCG? It's not here at WCG because at this point in time there is no computer program that can predict/compute climate and global warming. CPDN is a BOINC based project that is trying to develop a model and computer program for predicting climate in the future. If you want to know more the URL is http://climateprediction.net. If you simply want to start crunching then attach BOINC to http://climateprediction.net but I warn you now that the work units are huge. On my 2.4 GHz Athlon64 with 1 meg RAM, 1 work unit takes almost 3,000 hours of CPU time, about 4 months crunching 24/7. Also, the WUs tend to crash so you might complete only 1 WU for every 3 WUs you try. The good thing is they can learn even from crashed WUs and you get partial points for crashed WUs. Before you try a WU you should read the FAQ and Q&A pages at the CPDN website for some tips on how to improve your chances of successfully completing a WU. For example, you need to backup the project after every checkpoint (trickle up) and it's best to not run multiple projects when crunching CPDN. Is this a splintering of grid projects and thining of efforts that is being witnessed? I would say it's a thinning of efforts if you believe there are only so many hardcore crunchers in the world in addition to a bunch who try it for a while then quit. Splintering? Well, that's such a harsh word. I would say that there is a lot of crunching that needs to be done on a wide variety of projects. No single team can possibly have the experience and tech expertise to develop the science application, debug it, optimise it, troubleshoot volunteer problems, etc. Therefore there MUST be separate projects, splintering in other words, but we are all crunchers in the end. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 29, 2006 11:50:09 PM] |
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Former Member
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Go to the pie graph at the bottom. Climate Prediction (11.5%) + BBC Climate Change (5.8%) = 17.3% of all BOINC projects (WCG coming in at 1.8%). Granted that does not take into account the UD agent, but they still have their fair share of crunching time/users/hosts. The Climate Prediction and BBC Climate Change projects are pretty much the same project. They run the same science apps and the results go to the same research team. The BBC Climate Change project is just a Climate Prediction spinoff that BBC started and partially funds and promotes at their expense. I think WCG gets its fair share of crunchers too when you take into account the WUs that get crunched on UD. Then there is the protein folding going on at Folding@Home too as well as the HPF1 that grid.org did over the years. If you add up all the work that's being done on protein I think you'll find it gets it's fair share. |
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zombie67 [MM]
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I think WCG gets its fair share of crunchers too when you take into account the WUs that get crunched on UD. Then there is the protein folding going on at Folding@Home too as well as the HPF1 that grid.org did over the years. Good point. BOINCstats show only BOINC projects (obviously). Not so obvious is that there are *many* non-BOINC Distributed Computing projects. If you want to see all DC projects, go here: http://distributedcomputing.info/projects.html |
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Former Member
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I think WCG gets its fair share of crunchers too when you take into account the WUs that get crunched on UD. Then there is the protein folding going on at Folding@Home too as well as the HPF1 that grid.org did over the years. If you add up all the work that's being done on protein I think you'll find it gets it's fair share. Ohh I certainly agree. WCG has a LOT of computing power when you take all of the UD agents into account... but WCG is going to have a total of 6 active projects. We don't want to spread ourselves out too thinly, otherwise the projects will take too long to complete and the results will not get to the scientists as quickly as they could/should. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 30, 2006 4:47:03 AM] |
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zombie67 [MM]
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Ohh I certainly agree. WCG has a LOT of computing power when you take all of the UD agents into account... but WCG is going to have a total of 6 active projects. We don't want to spread ourselves out too thinly, otherwise the projects will take too long to complete and the results will not get to the scientists as quickly as they could/should. That's the problem. Users allocate their BOINC resources per project. WCG is a *single* project as far as BOINCmgr is concerned. So let's say you participate in 1 other BOINC project, and within WCG, you participate in two sub-projects...and you want an equal share between the three. You should give WCG a resource share of 2, and the other project a resource share of 1 (use any multiple to get the same results). Getting to the real problem from a BOINCstats perspective: Advertisement is needed to educate other BOINC users that WCG is really multiple projects, and that an equal BOINC pie slice is not really equal. Frankly, this would be easier if WCG just had a separate project for each sub-project (AND they supported BAM!). But they built their infrastructure pre-BOINC, and now change is difficult. |
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Former Member
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WCG is an oddball amongst BOINC projects. The website looks and works different, the results pages are different and you can't see other members' results. If you've been BOINCing at other projects and then come to WCG you have a learning curve. Is there an incentive to climb the curve? No. Some do anyway but a lot just forget about it because there are plenty of other projects where there is no learning curve.
Then there's all the problems they've ignored that other projects have fixed. They offer quantity but not quality. They got fast before they got good and that's not what attracts people these days. Not since Japan proved you can build top quality cars at a reasonable price. |
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