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MLee

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A generated crisis - do we need one?
  “Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”  Sen Joe Biden
Although I'm the same age as Obama, I remember the Kennedy's well. - I knew the John Kennedy and Obama is no Kennedy. (Sorry, for those of you too young or out of touch with politics that is "quote paraphrase"  from a few old debates.

With our financial situation the way it is, with our troops engaged in two serious wars and stretched thin with flare-ups around the globe, with global markets collapsing around us and with the American people so distrustful of politicians already, do we really need a "generated crisis" to test this already messianic politician's overblown ego any further?

I suppose Obama could call on the great deceiver himself, Colin Powell, to come in and tell us more lies about WMD somewhere... that would get America all excited again.

I don't care how liberal or conservative any one is, why would Americans want to bring upon ourselves a "generated crisis" of any sort?
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scrapbelle

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
I agree totally with you M'Lee!!!
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corriekate

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 I would not be in favor of this.  I am so tired of POLITICS.  SO TIRED.  They are playing games with our finances and our security.  ITS NOT MONOPOLY PEOPLE!!!  :x
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AnnOminous

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 If the unnamed whomevers are going to generate a crisis to test the new US president, then they will do it whomever gets elected. 
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Kara

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 I am really busy, I will be back to this...
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dianagirly

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 I soooooooo agree with you. :x
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Mom4scrappin

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 I totally agree! Why would we want to provoke them even further? I aso think if we are attacked that The "Messiah" would do nothing about it!!!
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MLee

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
If the unnamed whomevers are going to generate a crisis to test the new US president, then they will do it whomever gets elected.
That's not necessarily true.

Russia's leaders have already said that one of the reasons they backed down as much as they did, when they did, in Georgia was because they didn't think that the US would take the tough stance that they did at the time. They believed the US was more pre-occupied in other arenas.

Now don't get me wrong. In any other election period I am generally on the "other side" and I am NEVER pro-war. I'm having a difficult time with the candidates and I'm still not sure I can cast my ballot for McCain. I just know that I canNOT cast it for Obama.

For anyone to wish upon themselves the same fate as Kennedy, whose very record itself was bad to lukewarm by all unvarnished historical accounts, who ushered in an era of turmoil and unrest is just unbelievable to me.

I just read the full text of Biden's speech given at the fundraiser and I am more appalled by the full text than I am by just this part... He wasn't aware the media was present, which was why we were allowed to get this unvarnished glimpse of how their minds really work.

It's interesting.
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nicoleoh

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 And man, the media is all over this too!
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Kara

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 between the media and the stupidity of things said how the heck can we possibly win..
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koala1966

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
Dear Lord, no we don't need any more crisis - manufactured or otherwise.  This statement right here really bothers me:

"we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”  Sen Joe Biden

What does that mean, exactly?  That they already know what the crisis will be and what their response will be, and that they won't be popular for it?  That they have a plan to pretend to have a crisis so that they can look wrong and then prove they are right, to generate more popularity?  That they have some sort of plot worked out with some foreign government and need a fake crisis to implement it?  That they want an excuse to officially make us a socialist country?  I mean seriously, that's a really suspect statement, IMHO.
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JenniferP

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 Open mouth.  Insert foot.  lol  Biden is truely the gaffe king.

Not needing a crisis during economic hardship is one thing (and a very important thing).  Another is possibly sacrificing more human lives because of terrorists to "test" out a new president....  no thank you.  I'll take the candidate that diverts terrorists, not welcomes them to a table for "talks" or opens the door for more attacks. 
~Jen
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justred2u

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
corriekate wrote: I would not be in favor of this.  I am so tired of POLITICS.  SO TIRED.  They are playing games with our finances and our security.  ITS NOT MONOPOLY PEOPLE!!!  :x

I soooo agree here ... I too am sick of politics that I really don't want to vote, but I will because to me it is my civic duty and I like that freedom.  Can't wait till after 4 Nov, at least for a while.  (hear me trying to convince myself I need to vote, lol)
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AnnOminous

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 I will agree that Biden sure stuck his foot in his mouth!!

However, I'm not going to vote for McCain just because he comes across internationally as a bigger tougher "bada$$" than Obama.

I can well remember my very Republican ex-fiance saying to me after 9-11 how lucky we were that Bush had gotten elected instead of Gore because Gore was a pansy and couldn't of handled the situation anywhere near as well as Bush did.

I think it is very apparent just well big tough Bada$$ George W Bush did NOT handle things!!  McCain is just more Bush.  Where's my razor?
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megamay

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
AnnOminous wrote: I will agree that Biden sure stuck his foot in his mouth!!

However, I'm not going to vote for McCain just because he comes across internationally as a bigger tougher "bada$$" than Obama.

I can well remember my very Republican ex-fiance saying to me after 9-11 how lucky we were that Bush had gotten elected instead of Gore because Gore was a pansy and couldn't of handled the situation anywhere near as well as Bush did.

I think it is very apparent just well big tough Bada$$ George W Bush did NOT handle things!!  McCain is just more Bush.  Where's my razor?

*applause* well said, I totally agree
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Jenn Kellams

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
megamay wrote:
AnnOminous wrote: I will agree that Biden sure stuck his foot in his mouth!!

However, I'm not going to vote for McCain just because he comes across internationally as a bigger tougher "bada$$" than Obama.

I can well remember my very Republican ex-fiance saying to me after 9-11 how lucky we were that Bush had gotten elected instead of Gore because Gore was a pansy and couldn't of handled the situation anywhere near as well as Bush did.

I think it is very apparent just well big tough Bada$$ George W Bush did NOT handle things!!  McCain is just more Bush.  Where's my razor?

*applause* well said, I totally agree
I love political discussions.  Its fun hearing everyone opinions....and with that said here is mine.....

I don't agree at all.  People don't realize that the preisdent doesn't "make" the decision on what to do in war.  He basically has people do it for him.  And I will be quite blunt....I am glad that thewar was over there.  That means it didn't happen over here!  It was inevitable.  It was going to happen regardless.  And had Clinton/Gore taken care of Bin Laden when they were in office and had the chance, we probably wouldn't be dealing with it now.  The person who persuaded Bush that we needed to go to war is now backing Barak Obama.  Kinda scary in my opinion.


Oh, and I prefer for this to not become a socialist country which is what will happen when Obama becomes president.....or what will be really funny, is if he becomes president and not crap happens and people realize that the same things happen no matter who is in office.  At least with it being democrat senate and republican president we would still have a checks and balance system.  With all democrats in office this country will go to shit becuase we will have no one checking and balancing.  It will be whatever the democrats want.....I just wish people would actually educate themselves on how the government works and what each party and representative stands before before jumping on a bandwagon.

okay I am ranting now....
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AnnOminous

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 jjenni08,

I know very well just how the government works with checks and balances and what each party stands for.

Your whole post reminds me of my parents saying that if Ted Kennedy became president he would sell the country to the Soviet Union....
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MLee

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 You know, I've been a Democrat most of my life, but you sure don't want to get me started on Ted "leave 'em to drown" Kennedy. :waiting:

I don't agree with anything, not one thing, about the war in Iraq but I will applaud the statement about Colin Powell being the one who looked Americans in the eye and convinced us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. NOW Obama says he's against war but will put Powell in his administration? They are all a bunch of liars. However, the last thing this country needs is someone stupid enough to manufacturer a "crisis" just to prove themselves worthy.

And that's okay, Anne. You can follow your man all the way to the new concentration camps for "those wealthy people" who are stealing all of the poor people's money. It was the Jews in Germany, who will Obama go after in the US?
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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
 I have learned more this election about how the government works than I learned in any other election. Maybe I have taken more of an interest in it this time around.

I got this email yesterday and it sums up alot I think. Everyone always blames the president for every little problem. I think congress controls the government..not the president. I am not a Bush fan by any means. I was..but the last couple of years he has done a pretty poor job. I think its a good thing he was in office when we were attacked. I think he did a pretty dam good job securing our country. We haven't had another attack. Could Gore have done it? I have my doubts but I don't know. We will never know. Check out this email..makes one think about how our government really works.



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545 People By Charlie
Reese
 
Politicians are the only people in the
world who create problems and then campaign against them. 
Have you ever wondered why, if both the
Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have
deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the
politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high
taxes? 
You and I don't propose a federal budget.
The president does. 
You and I don't have the Constitutional
authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives
does. 
You and I don't write the tax code,
Congress does. 
You and I don't set fiscal policy,
Congress does. 
You and I don't control monetary policy,
The Federal Reserve Bank does.
 
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one
president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300
million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the
domestic problems that plague this country.  
I excluded the members of the Federal
Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress.  In 1913,
Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a
federally chartered but private central bank. 
I excluded all the special interests and
lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability
to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking
thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The
politician has the power to accept or reject it.  No matter what the lobbyist
promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he
votes.
 Those 545 human beings spend
much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They
cooperate in this common con game regardless of party. 
What separates a politician from a normal
human being is an excessive amount of gall. 
No normal human being would have the gall
of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
The president can only propose a budget.  He cannot force the Congress to accept
it.  The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving
appropriations and taxes. 
Who is the speaker of the House?  She is
the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the
president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they
can pass it over his veto if they agree to.  It seems inconceivable to me that a
nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by
present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility. 
I can't think of a single domestic problem
that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. 
When you fully grasp the plain truth that
545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow
that what exists is what they want to exist. 
If the tax code is unfair, it's because
they want it unfair.  If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in
the red.  If the Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .  
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not
available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no
insoluble government problems. 
Do not let these 545 people shift the
blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to
lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they
give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do
not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical
forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation' or 'politics' that prevent them from
doing what they take an oath to do. 
Those 545 people, and they alone, are
responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. 
They, and they alone, should be held
accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the
gumption to manage their own employees. 
We should vote all of them out of office
and clean up their mess!
Who is controlling the
Congress at this time??
Charlie Reese is a
formercolumnist of the
Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

 
However, it is also true the we, the
citizens of this country, reelect approximately 90% of the 545 every election. 
Therefore, we bear a great deal of the responsibility for the mess we have
created
.........
 
***Tanya***
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Jenn Kellams

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Re: A generated crisis - do we need one?
AnnOminous wrote: jjenni08,

I know very well just how the government works with checks and balances and what each party stands for.

Your whole post reminds me of my parents saying that if Ted Kennedy became president he would sell the country to the Soviet Union....
Not sure if that was a compliment or an insult.  That post was not directed at you.  Sorry if it offended.

And everything I said as I stated before is my opinion.  Its just how I feel. :)
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