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SETI@Home still most popular BOINC project?

Why is SETI@Home STILL the most popular BOINC project after all these years? Sure, I believe in extraterrestrial intelligence (somewhere out there), but after all the Tflops (well probably Petaflops actually, or whatever is past that) after all these years, they have turned up absolutely nothing.

BOINCStats gives SETI@Home avg. 204 Tflops, and it accounts for over 50% of the total BOINC work crunched (on the last 24 hours: http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=bo ).

Why do so many people still choose this as the most important project, when there are SO many others (like ours) where crunching leads to TANGIBLE results? Results that can help humanity.

It just seems like such a waste to me (I'm sure they have some excuse about big pharma blah blah blah). Anyone have any thoughts on this? I just don't get it. confused (sorry for my tone here - I just think there are a vast amount of resources out there that seem to have skewed priorities - I think they should switch more of their time over here biggrin or other lifescience DC projects )

(Btw Einstein@Home beats Rosetta@home by nearly twice - why are gravity waves/neutron stars more important than protein folding? Something about "pure" science that can't be "sold"?)
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Well, SETI was the first I heard about. It had that fancy looking screensaver too. I suspect it has the advantage of word of mouth. It may have the "advantage" of being the biggest in terms of users/devices. The challange is to educate folks on the other projects that are available and matching the right project(s) to a person's interests. There's a lot of machines out there that aren't crunching so there's plenty of opportunity!
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yes. but the moment they find something, life will be different for all of us.
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Life won't change in any meaningful way. Any aliens found by SETI will still be stuck lightyears away. Communication will not be very speedy.

Meanwhile, SETI has many members purely because it is the granddaddy of all grid projects. SETI was there first, they've been going longest, and they've had the most publicity.

But that's gonna change...
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But that's gonna change...


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Life won't change in any meaningful way. Any aliens found by SETI will still be stuck lightyears away. Communication will not be very speedy.

Meanwhile, SETI has many members purely because it is the granddaddy of all grid projects. SETI was there first, they've been going longest, and they've had the most publicity.

But that's gonna change...


Well, there are folks who argue that the impact of knowing we are not alone will change our society significantly. In a way, I'd hope that they are right as we could do without so many wars of liberation, revolution and jihad. sad On the flip side, there seems to be a presumption with most folks into SETI that any aliens we find will be peaceful. More advanced does not translate into peaceful. Just ask the Aztecs, Myans and Inca.

BTW, I do hope you're right about them having the most publicity changing!
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Yes, it is a shame that so many folks are crunching for SETI instead of for something useful. And while there is plenty of opportunity re unused computers -- as keithhenry pointed out -- it seems to be extremely difficult to get new people involved. For instance, a couple of weeks ago I posted a short message on a cancer group with Yahoo; I first obtained permission from the Group's owner and its board of overseers. The group has over 5,000 members, most of whom I presume are personally affected by cancer in some way and therefore ought to be at least moderately interested in anything that offers hope for a cure. The subject line said: "Use your computer's spare power to help find a cure for cancer". There was not a single reply. I would have even welcomed an accusation of spamming, because that would have given me the opportunity to explain that the message was previewed and approved by the group's owner and overseers, but I didn't even get that kind of response. Now, if any of those members happened to check out my webpage or the WCG site, then I would have expected to see SOME sort of ensuing discussion in that thread -- but there has been total silence. I find that absolutely incredible and extremely discouraging -- but I press on anyway.

As for SETI, I just picture a bunch of Star Trek fans engaged in a fantasy. While I will concede the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe, I am very skeptical about it and, in any event, don't believe that knowing it would ever be beneficial to mankind in any way. I therefore have to agree with Didactylos that our lives won't change in any meaningful way, and I can't see how that knowledge would ever reduce wars, etc. On the contrary, I think such knowledge would be a setback to religion which, for the most part, helps to restrain many people from less moral lives. For that reasno, I take the opposite position of keithhenry in that I hope that SETI never finds any evidence of alien intelligence.

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For instance, a couple of weeks ago I posted a short message on a cancer group with Yahoo...There was not a single reply.


I too experienced the same situation with my yahoo group I moderate with nearly 10,000 members - posted a message and only one single reply. sad

As for SETI, I just picture a bunch of Star Trek fans engaged in a fantasy.


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A new Moses will go up the mountain, come down and see that Golden Calves have been erected in Area 51.


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I remember reading this somewhere besides this link on Wikipedia, that the majority of DC donors prefer theoretical science projects which cannot in any way be used for commercial profit. So silly, IMO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti_at_home

As different people have different value systems, some will (for example) prefer projects with a relatively high chance of benefitting humanity in the short term, while others will avoid these because they are more likely to be associated with commercial profit. Yet there are now nonprofit organizations working for these humanitarian goals, such as the World Community Grid, which likewise has teams and a points system, yet focuses on AIDS treatments and proteome folding.

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SETI@Home is the first grid project that I heard. Hmm...I heard about it in GridCafe, and I went straight to SETI@Home's website. However, it didn't really impress me. Probably searching for extraterrestial life in the universe simply didn't interest me. Then, I came to know about WCG through the original FAAH website (originally managed by Entropia). And I thought, donating my cpu power and resources for humanitarian projects is SOMETHING. Why not join WCG to help find a cure for AIDS? And the next thing I knew was, when will my progress bar reach 100%??? Hahaha...I must be so excited about WCG's projects. biggrin

Currently, I'm doing a research on how to deploy BOINC in a LAN environment. My goal is to get my university "plugged" into the Grid; participating in humanitarian grid projects is something worth doing. Hopefully, it'll be a success! wink
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