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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I appreciate that you tried to explain the "problem" to me. BUT--I don't have any 900K byte programs installed. So what the Grid was attempting to download is moot. I could clearly read a figure, like 879,342, close enough to 900K. It stayed frozen for five hours or so, unlike most downloads which are so fast (instantaneous) the bytes are difficult to read. So thanks for your previous answer, but it doesn't explain why it froze, nor is there evidence as to what was attempting to download. Again, it's your problem, not mine. Just reporting what I saw, which downgraded my computer performance as well. That was probably just the total download size - new code for HPF2 + new code for FAAH + a new work unit - it all adds up. I would prefer to be asked if I wish to sign up for a new project, rather than finding it executing on my PC. I seldom visit the forums, unless I have a problem. I don't want problems. I want FightAIDS to run in background as often as possible, and not give me any hassle. I'm doing my part by donating my computer processing time. If there are too many problems, I will simply opt out, until y'all can get the snafus fixed. The client doesn't have a mechanism for informing you of new projects. How would you prefer to be informed/asked to opt in/out? |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
OK, It was 900K Bytes. It should not have hung up. I have Bell South DSL, plenty of virtual memory, and nothing else was running. If 9K downloads in 1 second, 100 x that should be 100 seconds, 1.5 minutes. At the most 15. Not 5 hours. I had just rebooted before the download. I rebooted after, and my system was clear. I don't like having my system degraded by an outside organization. I degrade it enough myself. Meaning, I make enough mistakes for one machine. If I lose 12-24 hours of your data, no big deal. But 4 days worth is environmentally wasteful.
As to notifying us users about new programs: 1. Each download puts a message on my screen about FightAids or Proteome. Surely it wouldn't be that hard to add a message about a new program that I can opt out of? 2. Each upload and download has a message at the bottom of the screen in red. Goes very quickly. But it appears it would accept a message, properly paused. 3. We all have E-Mails. Send out a blanket E-Mail describing the new project, and advising how to opt out. BOINC sends messages to E-Mail. 4. When my Firewall is up, my agent cannot contact the Grid. A message appears that I need to contact the Grid or some such thing. I just close my firewall. Modify this message so that it appears at the start of an upload, while I'm attempting to reach the Grid. There may be technical reasons why none of this will work easily. I'm sure there are other ways to communicate. I don't know. You asked the question. Where there's a will & a need, a way can be found. You said "the Client" doesn't have a communication mechanism. I thought I was your client, just like a patient. Am I a User of the Client? Or does it use me? By placing an anthropomorphic name on programming routines, you turn me, my personal meaning, into a topsy-turvy world. Your Client communicates with ME all the time, via my PC. My only power is to exit your Client, so no communication. I presume that you, as one voice of your Client, can tell your Client how to better communicate with ME. Thank you. More to Follow. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Mr."Do You See The 3 Grids, Dummy!" finally got to me.I deduce that you have three different programs running on the Proteome, one was at 24 hours, one at 14 and one at 4. All were at 43%. That's 42 hours, at 43% = 100 hours. 4 Days!! My system freeezes often when I'm experimenting. Goes down. I lose the data I'm working on. I don't mind, unless I've been typing for hours. But I'm not giving you 4 days of computer time, only to see your work lost by my incompetence at running programs not related to your projects. You may feel your data is protected. Don't misjudge my ability to screw up.
Although I prefer short programs, If somebody had explained the above to me (3 programs running), I would have breathed a sigh of relief, and let it run another two days. Instead, at your advice, I terminated the program using a mechanism (Task Manager) I had never tried. Thank you. But I unnecessarily terminated an apparently good work package, and for that I'm sorry. I would not have if someone had reassured me adequately. The whole purpose of this exercise in E-Mails (from my standpoint) is to prevent my personal security from being breached by your progammed intrusions. I'm not a novice, nor stupid. I worked as an Engineer on the Boeing SST interactive graphics program in 1968-70. We had communication similar to E-Mails. A Network. 3-D Graphics like your proteins. To build a Bird. That my mind has been fryed by AIDS still leaves me with 99% of Infinity. I can't learn all the viscisitudes of the intervening 35 years of quantized programming, but it was all dreamed before. I only want to protect my computer mind from viruses virtually similar to those that play havoc with my thought processes. I greatly appreciate your cooperation & understanding in this matter, as, I imagine, do others out there in a similar gray void lit by sparkling electrons. . Thank you. Richard E. Locke |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
In order to reply to your post, I had to put my "Agent" in snooze mode.
Three times I tried to post my message, The arrow snailed across the bottom of the screen, ending with an error message: Server not available. I snoozed FightAids, and it posted instantly. So normal running does downgrade some parts of my intricate machine, but not others. Meaning, I accept some discomfort from your Client as routine, and find ways around the problems myself. I bitch only when severely alarmed. Also because I dread the one-line Confucian Wisdom. Inscrutable adages in a foreign language (Cobol?, Algol?), God-like from the ether. Thanks for you help, despite. R.Locke. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The HPF2 project is still in early days with a lot of bugs. I feel like a doctor who has a prerecorded message on his answering machine advising callers to take 2 aspirins. If you are running the UD client, then bringing up the Application View lets you see if the graphics is drawing lines or not. No lines being drawn means an error, so kill it. If lines are being drawn, give it a long time (like about a day) to show some progress. No progress after a long time?? Kill it. We'll squash the bugs eventually, but for the moment FAAH is much smoother. Lawrence Added: You might not have heard about the new throttle that is slowing down our projects to only 60% usage by default. It can be reset to 100% as explained in http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2683#61655 [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jul 7, 2006 12:35:55 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I will try and answer a few of your questions.
I don't know why your download took such a long time. There are too many possible causes. The server may have been overloaded (in which case the files would have downloaded slowly but your computer would be unaffected). The problem may have been with your connection itself. Sometimes network hardware crashes, or goes wrong, or other network traffic causes your connection to slow to a crawl. I'm a little concerned about your talk of "3 grids". While there are three projects on the grid (two of them active) your computer only works on one at once. Either you've got the wrong end of the stick, or your computer is doing things it shouldn't. Your security is very important. As such, WCG virus scan and encrypt all communications with your computer. When your firewall blocks WCG, I hope you aren't disabling it completely, but are just making an exception for WCG. Your firewall should give you the option to do this, and make it very clear what is happening so your security isn't compromised. Looking at the time of your post, it is likely that the server really was unavailable, and it was just a coincidence that it came back after you paused the agent. Thank you for your suggestions about how you could be notified in the future. As for the "client" confusion - sorry about that. It's computer science terminology, because the grid uses a client-server architecture. I'll try to stick to "agent" in the future. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Thank you for your kind and thorough reply.
As to the use of "client" -- I was just joshing you. Given the context and the reality, it seemed absurd to say "The Client has no mechanism to communicate." It really struck my funny bone, since inaccurate communication was rampant with all parties to the fiasco, whoever the "Client" might be (Grammer Rule: "who" not "whom" with "be," a linking, non-objective, verb. That's "grammar"ese, which is diffcult to explain otherwise, just like computer talk). There can be no fault or blame when you admit: "I don't know." Especially when the result is copasectic, and you assure me of the protections inherent in your system. All's Well that Ends Well. I spent years trying to edit attorneys into clear legal language. Getting rid of "Wherefores, Know all Men by these Presents, Party of the First Part, Lessee/Lessor (vs. Tenant/Landord), In Hand Delivered, and other such legalese, incomprehensible to the average customer. How you "shorthand speak" or "jive" or speak "slang" to your peers cannot or should not be used to communicate clearly with your "normal" human "clients." It is often difficult to figure out what is common speech and what is computereze. Good luck! You do a good job, given your time constraints. Thank you. Don't worry about the 3 grids. They did operate one at a time. I was accustomed to the one "grid" of FightAids. Not knowing I was running the Proteome program with 3 subroutines, I was alarmed by what appeared to be lost time. All were running at 43%. One was at 24 hours, one at 14 hours, and one at 4 hours, appearing one after the other in that order on my screen. I don't think a "total time" (42 hours) showed., which would have been helpful. With a 24>14>4 hours progression showing, I logically assumed something was wrong, and I would soon have zero hours, and a blowout. My assumption was wrong. Future Communication with your customers before starting new programs would help cure such false alarms. Again, thank you for your advice, concern, and understanding. R.Locke |
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