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Today with BOINC 5.4.9 and HPF2 5.07 I was noticing that the progress percentage was not moving. HOWEVER, if I came back later, it had changed to a new value, and was stuck on that one.

So far, I would guess that things are going sort of normally. The thousandth of a percentage used to move every one or few seconds but is not doing much today.

I wouldn't call this a frozen percentage, just a lazy percentage.

The run time timer is incrementing as usual.
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Re: sticky progress %

Retsof, are you new to HPF? This is normal behaviour same as HPF1. percentages do not progress like in FAAH which goes by steps of 0.002 or 0.003%.....HPF1/2 only progress if a 'chunk' (as i call them) or segment of a WU is completed......20 segments, 5% bounds, 30 segments 3,333% etc. The subject and description of this leaping is discussed in various threads, even today.
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Re: sticky progress %

I installed BOINC on one pc to try it out and, so far, I'm unimpressed with it's speed. HPF2 actually runs slower than the ud agent on the same pc. The first work it got was a FAAH unit and that ran a little faster than on ud.

Another question, probably answered elsewhere, how do I get WCG to send only HPF2 units to my BOINC machine? My ud agent default is set this way but BOINC sends out both projects. What have I missed?
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Re: sticky progress %

The overall project list in your my grid is used for BOINC. The device profiles are used for the UD interface.

New to HPF2? no newer than anyone else. The HPF2 units are finishing faster than FAAH, so I thought the percentage would increment faster. Maybe not.

At least BOINC will run HPF2 and FAAH on my slowest 500MHz computer. They were excluded by the UD interface because of below minimum CPU requirements.
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Re: sticky progress %

John G, that's maybe toying with profiles.....the Default BOINC takes all that are specified in the General Projects Profile. The language quote
My Projects

Here you can select which projects you'd like your computer to work on. This will set the preference for all of the computers that you currently have. If you are running the United Devices agent you may change the settings on a device by device basis by going to the Device Manager and customizing your device profiles.


unquote, implies you can set it for UD agent by device, but not for BOINC. But if you only run BOINC, you can be unticking and resaving the general profile, then force BOINC to reread your prefs by hitting the Update button in Projects Tab....else donno

Retsof to quoto myself....maybe you saw a 2 where there is a '?' in HPF?:
Retsof, are you new to HPF? This is normal behaviour same as HPF1

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Re: sticky progress %

At least BOINC will run HPF2 and FAAH on my slowest 500MHz computer. They were excluded by the UD interface because of below minimum CPU requirements.
It will, but it's not looking good. After 7 hours and 0.6% I had a graphics freeze and had to reboot. It hadn't yet reached a checkpoint .... so restarted at 0. crying At that rate, I don't think it would finish in 7 days either. Any project would have to run over 14% per day to get done in time. Yes, BOINC seems to add a lot of overhead. I may have to go to another project there that I have already tried before.

Here's an example of the severe difference. My 2.4GHz computers will run PrimeGrid workunits in 11 minutes. The 500MHz computer takes about 15 hours to run one. It was running HPF1 on the UD interface before the minimum requirements went up.
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At least BOINC will run HPF2 and FAAH on my slowest 500MHz computer. They were excluded by the UD interface because of below minimum CPU requirements.



Hi retsof,
While all contributions to projects such as HPF and FAAH are greatly appreciated by everyone involved, you have to ask yourself if running old hardware is economically viable, given the current high cost of electricity. Personally, I don't believe it is. I have three pc's that I consider inadequate for crunching, a 532mHZ Celeron, a 1 gHZ Athlon and a 1.1 gHZ Duron. The Duron takes 20 hours to run a FAAH unit and the others are much slower. Sure, these machines earn a lot of points per unit crunched, but the cost in power used per unit is far too high, so I've retired them.
From the beginning, I've done this work to produce results, not points, so running only fast machines, 2.2 gHZ or better, gives me the most bang for my buck. As it is, current budget problems prevent me from using all 9 of my front line computers and I now run only four, but I'm getting a good result tally from them for a reasonable operating cost.
This is just my opinion. You, of course, should do whatever you are comfortable with.
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At least BOINC will run HPF2 and FAAH on my slowest 500MHz computer. They were excluded by the UD interface because of below minimum CPU requirements.
It will, but it's not looking good. After 7 hours and 0.6% I had a graphics freeze and had to reboot. It hadn't yet reached a checkpoint .... so restarted at 0. crying At that rate, I don't think it would finish in 7 days either. Any project would have to run over 14% per day to get done in time.
7 hours were lost, but the reboot helped. The old computer gets sluggish after it has been running for awhile. The same workunit is now at 23% after 9 hours. That's acceptable.
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could be the ol' memory leaking....and i'm not blaming MSFT cruft.........have not booted in 4 days and speed is still like the first log-in. That's after 4 years tweaking WinXP then deciding to do a complete reimage 3 months ago......reason for me to have Vista mature for 4 years before putting it on, lest i can avoid it biggrin
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could be the ol' memory leaking....
Probably. That was still a problem on Win98. XP is more stable.


At least BOINC will run HPF2 and FAAH on my slowest 500MHz computer. They were excluded by the UD interface because of below minimum CPU requirements.


Hi retsof,
While all contributions to projects such as HPF and FAAH are greatly appreciated by everyone involved, you have to ask yourself if running old hardware is economically viable, given the current high cost of electricity.
I'm keeping it out of the landfill. I have 3 computers on a KVM switch, which requires only 1 monitor. Another DOS computer is ancient, and is definitely out of the loop. It can still dial up to fidonet, and has the newest 16 bit browser available, Netscape 4.08. The wife's computer and monitor is in the other room, and was upgraded to a fast computer a year ago. Now, if I could get that Compaq to let loose of something so the e-mail install would work. (??) It gets stuck on the popserver name and won't download messages. I've tried 3 different e-mail packages with the same result. She's stuck with webmail. So much for fast computers with national names. e-mail packages with the same set-up work fine on the plain jane computers.

There's still some other stuff on the old hardware, that hasn't yet been shifted --- like the web pages and some other databases.

It has been an interesting exercise keeping things going on the old machines, since I have reproduced some of the problems and solutions that keep coming up over and over again in the forum....from others that have old machines.

I had another Dell 1.7GHz Pentium 3. I took it to our friendly local laboratorycomputers store, and transmogrified it into an AMD machine with one of the new Venice cores --- runs very cool. It's now one of the crunchers and the effective speed has doubled. That might be a good solution for some of your old stuff. Mobo, CPU and cabinet are new, but much of the standard components can be reused to keep the price down.

Cost of electricity isn't too bad in Texas. Texas has our own power grid down here and Austin's in the cheapest 1/3 of the cities. Wind power is available, but is actually MORE expensive than the regular kind. The wind is free but the meter and administration drives up the cost. The cost of the overall crunching mix *IS* cheaper overall. I got rid of a 1 GHz Athlon blast furnace.

Dial-up!!! I'm still using that as well. One of the phones actually *IS* a dial-up, but computers can use the touch-tone option. That still costs EXTRA each month, but is cheaper switching equipment for the phone company. The dial phone won't "press 1" on any of the hated call trees.

Two days ago, the 3% telephone company excise tax to pay for the Spanish-American war of 1898 was finally removed. Celebrate that!! They finally got rid of something more than 100 years old.

What else have I got that's old? I just retired, but my car is 15 years old and older than my last career. Should I buy a new one every year so it will run faster?

Some of the money in my pocket is that old too, but it still works.

My sister's mother-in-law is 99 years old in January, and keeps going and going. Nothing new there, either.

We've got 4 TVs. We're holding out, but will have to buy either a new HDTV or converter boxes when HDTV becomes mandatory.

The house was built in 1969, but we're making-do. Realtors keep wanting us to sell it, but we'd have to buy another new one. Somebody bought a "scraper" in the next block. They scraped it off and built a new giant house. The city now has a law against new McMansions that don't fit into the neighborhood.

The value of the old house has tripled, and the property taxes have quadrupled in ten years. Appraisals are taking another hit, 40% increase in some areas. Somebody needs to get off of our back.

The oak out front is over 100 years old and still shades well. One of the newer and more modern ash trees in the back had to be junked after 40 years.

I use stamps up to 50 years old on my mail, even the bills. I haven't paid any online, which usually costs more. Three 13c stamps gets me 39 cents. Other combinations of 8, 4, 5, 3, 2, 6 also work.

I've got some dial clocks here that still work. Some are electric, some have batteries, and some are wind-up. If you want to see what "clockwise" looks like, you have to have a clock.

We still have some silverware that's silver. It still works.

It's amazing how much old stuff I've got here that I'm still using.
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