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smile Recruiting others to run the world grid

I have tried to recruit as many people as possible..however, i have noticed MOST people are UNWILLING to run a simple program on their computer for fear of a virus,scam,not properly understanding the importance or just fear of their own MORTALITY.

I began deep thinking this...look at the millions of people on MYSPACE....bet everyone knows someone on it! Now imagine if just half or 1/4 of them people ran this program!!!...the server would be jammed...the grid would be down half the time or atleast slow like myspace gets at times.

I have had more success on recruiting by explaining to people the LIFE they SAVE might be their OWN or someone they LOVE or care about. I tell them this program attacks HIV...that it is like finding a key to a lock...a weakness...seems most people tend to need to be shown the light and realize they have a personal stake or interest in it as we are SELFISH driven creatures mostly.

I just recruited another person tonight. Took me about 5 minutes of clearly explaining what her interest in it should be but I no doubts that every computer i can get running is worth the time and effort.
I got through to her by explaining that i love sex, she loves sex...we are both at risk and have a personal stake and interest.

I guess i'm done with my blabbling...would be nice to hear others experiences and opinions on this topic. Like it said..alot of people are a bit scared of having anything to do with running a program involved with HIV...the thought alone makes many people go ...eewwww.

I have seen many many people with computers just sitting around at home idling doing nothing...on 24/7.
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

Any person interested in WCG has two options at the moment: running FA@H, or HPF. Here are some links which I hope can help to explain to newly recruited members:

FA@H:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/viewFaahAbout.do

HPF:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/viewHpfResearch.do

http://www.systemsbiology.org/Scientists_and_Research/Faculty_Groups

Results so far:

FA@H:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=5730

HPF:
http://robetta.bakerlab.org/

HPF:
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

And not forgetting, a list of collaborators:

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewOurPartners.do
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

It is both surprising and unfortunate that the majority of people on the internet want nothing to do with DC.

I have tried to explain the AIDS and Protien Folding projects to many well educated and affluent people just to be met with mindless stares of indifferance.

I have given up in any recruitment efforts myself. I dont have the patience required to explain something that people display indifferance to by default.

The Rosseta@Home project is particulary heartbreaking to me in that the Baker lab is very sure that if they had maybe 3 to 4 times thier present compute power. That they have a 100 percent chance at solving the Protien Folding Problem. Which would then give rise to a whole new class of drugs to maybe cure everything from cancer to malaria.

You would think people would stand in line volunteering thier computer.

Go Figure. DC has taught me alot about human nature. I still hold out hope that companys like IBM may be able to raise awareness.

Untill then Chrunch ON......Congrats on your commitment to the AIDS cure.......
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

I almost gave up hope a few times but i realized even one computer at a time can make a bigger difference in the long haul. I don't preach or put to much effort as i used to as such is a lost cause to begin with but i have learned a very, very small percentage of people will run it.

I look forward to more powerful computer chips. To where 1 computer will be equivalent to 10 top of the line computers which now exist.

I am proud of AMD for what they have done. I look forward to their processors in 2007 which will feature upto 4 cores on one chip. I hope to see the day when we have Optical Crystal Lithography quantum computer chips which can compute this tasks without effort.

It feels very unfortunate that the cures are so close but yet so far as people turn them away in ignorance. This project and other has taught me alot also about the human condition and race.
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

I work for an employer with a couple hundred desktop computers. Recently I suggested to the CEO that we participate in a distributed computing project. This was my written request below, I removed any reference to the organization by name.
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Currently our work stations are left running 24/7 in order to receive pushed out upgrades and updates. It would seem that we could use this under utilized resource by corporately participating in a non-profit "folding" project, such as the "World Community Grid" hosted by IBM. Folding projects involve processing medical research data when the workstation would otherwise by idle. The processing program is given the lowest system priority, so that it does not affect performance when the computer is actively being used. Other than the initial installation, which is trivial, this process is does not require any interaction on the part of the individual user. More information about the project can be found here;
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/


Corporate partners participating in this project are listed here;
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewOurPartners.do


This could be a great way to do some good and improve our community relations at the same time. All at very little or no cost to our organization.


Thanks for your consideration.
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The response from the CEO was;

It is true that these applications do not normally impact performance; however, we have seen these types of programs negatively impact system performance in the past. In addition, there have been known security vulnerabilities associated with these programs, so the assumption that there is no associated cost with installing and maintaining an application like this is not true. Like other software programs, security vulnerabilities turn up constantly, which then require intervention and resolution.

When looking specifically at the "World Community Grid" project it appears they are moving over to the BOINC client, but their current client seems to have some undesirable characteristics (here's a quote from their forums on their current client: "Whether you have a large or small network, installing the WCG UD agent on multiple machines has always been difficult, as each PC has had to be manually registered with the WCG servers").

It's easy to say that there's no cost associated with something, but when you have to deploy it, respond to questions about why someone's system is running slow and then have to maintain a piece of software when a new critical vulnerability is discovered in it, you get to see the real costs associated with a single application.

With this in mind, I will not recommend that we deploy this application on our desktops.
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Anybody have any similar experiences? Any suggestions how I might politely address these concerns?
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

The CEO makes some valid points, and the last thing we want to do is try to mask potential problems.

Some of his issues have answers, though:

Nobody would recommend rolling out the UD client on a large scale (although it can be done). The recommended method is to deploy BOINC using Group Policy, and the documentation for how to do this properly seems to be coming together rapidly now. WCG will continue to support both clients, because they have different strengths (UD is easier for a novice user to run).

BOINC uses SSL, so any security risks are minimised.

WCG is supported by IBM, and IBM have thousands of devices running WCG, so they have a vested interest in addressing any emerging vulnerabilities quickly and efficiently.

Finally, BOINC can be configured not to run during business hours, in the unlikely event that there is a noticable performance degradation.

I would advise a small pilot program, to ensure that there are no unforeseen issues or conflicts. Volunteering your time may also sweeten the pill.
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

Corporate and personal responsibility


I believe there must be a balance between security and doing what you can for your community and the world.

How would some of these same SELFISH people feel the next time their DAUGHTER or SON was in the hospital with a potentially deadly illness such as CANCER and the doctors could only recommend was mass amounts of kemo therapy, radiation and pumping them full of drugs and to hope for a lucky outcome. Yet, this is an everyday deadly reality being played out across our country in hospitals on a daily basis.

Then you have to tell your son or daugther that everything will be okay and that you love them..very well knowing what the outcome could be very well likely be if LUCK isn't on your side that day.

I believe there is a greater cause at hand and the benefits potentially outweight the risks assciated with it. Often times EXCUSES and JUSTIFICATIONS are really just reasons not to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Surely, our society can do more then just DRONE our daily functions in the name of personal interests,wants, needs,personal stakes and money...i would HOPE.

How bad are we? Look how hard some of these poor handicapped people in wheel chairs try...some even race in their wheel chairs and do great things that you or I wouldn't even think of doing..yet, we can't even manage to install a potential life saving program that takes minimal effort and time? That same person in that wheel chair could be making up all kinds of excuses and justifications not to live.

Alot of times throughout history the greatest accomplishments have had to be SOLD under personal STAKES, INTERESTS, WANTS and NEEDS...even national security which goes back to the first ones in my opinion.

I don't think any excuse or justifications is enough to dismiss our personal reponsibility to do what we can for those who are in need because one day that might be YOU, ME or someone we LOVE,KNOW or CARE about.

- That's my little speech for the day :)
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Re: Recruiting others to run the world grid

I think you have in fact a pretty good CEO, but these technologies have to be proven to him a bit more. Didactylos has some good points to maybe convince him.

Most CEO's would just shout "NO" without learning about it. This one has actually been doing some research about the project and WCG. Very good!
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Thanks for the suggestions. Can anybody else relate how they have convinced their employers to participate in the project?
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