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ignorance is not bliss (in your case)

Good idea...................Let me ask you one thing?

How do you know that your PC is not helping to "develop weapons for China" this very moment! You have absolutely NO idea what code is executing on your computer. What if the nice little picture of the folding protein is nothing more than an image front running off of a random number generator while the real processing happening behind the scenes is doing " INSERT ANY CONCEIVABLE THING HERE". Try to open up your mind a little bit before stepping up to the soapbox.

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Re: ignorance is not bliss (in your case)

The above is in responce to this posting................by No MAD


Programming is one thing. The Science behind proteome folding is another. To bring them together is a difficult task to say the least.
This is a limited time project which I believe will be completed within a year, provided the membership is sufficient. The program seems to be working now so no need to fix/break something that's not broken. It appears the scientists and programmers have it under control.


I can't imagine what would happen if this was open source. Actually this opens up an interesting can of worms and brings to mind various scenarios.
What will happen in the near future when anyone can take advantage of grid technology to work on their own personal projects, such as nuclear fission or the like.
Of course everyone on any grid will have the choice of what they choose to have their computer to work on, but lets say everyone in China decides to help their government develop weapons etc.


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Re: ignorance is not bliss (in your case)

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jerbenn - this ones for you

http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/kooksmus.html

What if the nice little picture of the folding protein is nothing more than an image front running off of a random number generator while the real processing happening behind the scenes is doing " INSERT ANY CONCEIVABLE THING HERE". Try to open up your mind a little bit before stepping up to the soapbox.


The folding protein graphic IS nothing more than an image front and has nothing to do with the real processing happening behind the scenes.

The project is of course working on protein folding. I would only be concerned if this concept came out of a remote cave in Afghanistan, or the like, of which it did not.

The prospects of grid technology being used by the military of another country is not as far reaching as it may sound.

Afterall, lets not forget, the concept of the internet was in fact military based.



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Re: jerbenn - this ones for you

OK......whatever............I'm not here to play games with you. Lets get back to my original point that you took out of context. The original post was about the prospect of open source code. The idea that I was getting at had nothing to do with chinese weapon research. I just think it would be wonderful if I could see in code, how the folding algorithm has been implemented. I don'
t see any social or political implications arising from this.....do you?

Also, you mentioned that the graphic IS nothing more than an image front. Where did you learn this? I thought the graphic represented the actual protein that was being folded?


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Re: ignorance is not bliss (in your case)

I know because I asked the mice that do all the computations inside the computer. They've assured me it's all on the up and up. Additionally I consulted the ants that bring the tiny workfiles in through the wire.
Of course, they are "red" ants, those little b**tards might just be communist, you never can tell.
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Afterall, lets not forget, the concept of the internet was in fact military based.


and it's pretty cool too.
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Re: jerbenn - this ones for you

I answered your question to the best of my knowledge and then added a thought of my own, such is the beauty of an open forum.

What I said about the graphic is simple logic. I don't have a reference to this. I could not find a reference to this. I did not expect there would be a reference to this. I imagine people that know this had the opinion of "Why rain on the parade".

I couldn't imagine the wasted resources of having each graphic match each protein and each calculation of movenent to match the computational process of 3 billion operations a second.



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Re: jerbenn - this ones for you

Mabye to get back to the more germain part of the original discussion, rather than the "are the graphics real or not" thing.

I found it interesting and even a little troubling that the smallpox project was for the US Dept. of Defense. While I am all for defending my country, I don't like the idea of a resource like this being used by any defense departments/ministries.

I, for one, will remove myself from the WCG if I suspect that the benefactors of these projects are anything but the general public.
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