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Former Member
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Do I have it right that the same pc's running BOINC [full time] will produce ~ 2X the number of points running WWGRID [full time]?
In looking thru the daily results by members, it appears that others are picking up on this. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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How do you see this? I've looked at the Statistics by Members (daily and all-time) and see no indicator of whether they are running the Windows agent, a Linux client or BOINC?
----------------------------------------If a true bias exists, I suspect only one of the WCG admins could confirm that. Given that it's the holiday season, it may be a while before one of them is available to comment on this. However, if there is a bias, I would suspect that they would quietly work to eliminate it. Admiting to one may cause more problems than it would be worth. :-) Just to clarify, with the new FAAH project, the new Linux client and the other recent changes, I would not be surprised if there is some "fine-tuning" that could and will eventually be done - just as was done with the HPF project. FWIW, it would be nice if there was a "By # of Devices" view of the Stats. Being able to compare my statistics to those running the same number of devices may allow me to see that I might could do more to maximize my contribution to the WCG. Right now, you can't really do any rough kind of apples to apples comparasion. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by keithhenry at Dec 28, 2005 6:06:48 AM] |
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Former Member
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I believe you are correct the amount of credit granted is higher than that
granted by the legacy client. This isn't a bad thing though as it will help to move folks off the old client and onto boinc. The old client is very very restrictive ,windows only single instance, etc and it is time it went. |
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Former Member
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Since I've moved all of my Windows PCs from the UD agent to the BOINC one I have seen a slight increase over all in my points scoring.
As it has been mentioned in previous posts, the BOINC points are multiplied by 7 to give WCG points. (It was originally 10 times !) It probably needs a tweak lower, but I do think the idea of gaining more points if you switch to the new BOINC client has merit in helping get everyone to switch over. However, once the FAAH project is transfered over to the BOINC client for Windows (it's already been done for the LINUX client) we may see the point match more evenly. (Could be barking up the wrong tree on this point, but I would guess that the multiplier was worked out by using the LINUX client and FAAH - It maybe a little out for the current Windows/Folding setup  ) |
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Former Member
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Are you getting more points or are you getting more work done? I noticed that my Linux agents turn in more work and that is why they get a few more points.
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Please review this thread - in general they reasoned things out correctly.
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=5200 UD points do not compare directly to BOINC points for a variety of reasons. The most critical are: UD assigns points based on several factors - memory, disk space and processor power. BOINC uses only processor power. UD assigns points per result (each person who returns a result for the same workunit could get a different number of points). BOINC grants the same number of points for each result returned for a workunit. A week after we went live with BOINC we took a good look at the points being granted between BOINC and UD and we calculated that a factor of 7 was the best average fit for points between the two types of agents. We did this by looking at similiarily configured machines and making sure that on average they were earning the same number of points. Please note the use of the phrase 'on average'. Becuase of the differences between how the systems calculate points, there will be some machines that score better with one agent or the other. |
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Former Member
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Points are just an indicator of the amount of work done and must be tuned to the environment that they are reporting into. For those people who are overly concerned with the points alone they should reflect work done vs other projects within the Boinc community and I do believe that is what we are dealing with here. If the points are too low, people will run the other Boinc projects and not WCG. If they are too high then there will be a stampeed here to run WCG Boinc. Now there are 3 other Proteins related projects which Boinc users have to choose from and of those 4 total projects WCG is in last place concerning the number of people participating and crunching WU's. A part of this could be the lack of a Boinc Looking website or the encouragement of the use of the UD Grid client rather than the Boinc Client. However, IF the tweeking results in a very good parity between the UD Client and Boinc Windows Client you will move the incentive for the points people to a differant place from where it is now. That movement would be into getting less points for work done and that will mean less desirability to do the science.
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Former Member
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Please note the use of the phrase 'on average'. Becuase of the differences between how the systems calculate points, there will be some machines that score better with one agent or the other. Got it. Thanks. FWIW, my daily average has gone from ~ 3000 to ~ 6000. [Don't look at my total average from the beginning - I've added several pc's since then]. Obviously, I'm a BOINC fan. |
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Former Member
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A lot of interest has been placed on the points which Boinc users get for the work which they do. Just for comparison purposes lets compare the Rosetta@home project to the WCG project. A Boinc user can choose to run either or both if they want to.
Rosetta Boinc Users 32,486 have been issued 80,800,376 points WCG Boinc users 4,345 have been issued 10,776,174 points Now this was just a moment in time (a snapshot) for comparison purposes but it illustrates that Rosetta@home with 8 times more people crunching WU's have very close to 8 times more points overall. In essence the folks at WCG have done their homework very well to balance the reward across the projects. Now the user must choose based upon the science to be performed because the reward is very equal.  |
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