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Accuracy re # of current active machines is important

After seeing a scandal this year at grid.org about their claimed # of active machines being greatly inflated (along with other problems), i think for the future it will be good if wcg manages to avoid any overstated claims. Of course that grid had many other 'problems' too.

Is there a reliable way to determine the real # of different active machines over the last 7 days?

Just a thought smile
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Re: Accuracy re # of current active machines is important

Well I know the WGC figures are inflated by at least two, as I have two phantom devices; one where I had to reinstall the UD client after rebuilding it, the other because it has been given to a charity.

What we need but do not appear to have is a way of inactivating devices with out loosing the records of thier run time, points achieved and results returned. This would at least give us the opportunity to manage our own devices.

The WGC could then manage the member/device figures by taking those who were inactive, i.e. they had not returned any results for say a month.
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Re: Accuracy re # of current active machines is important

This has been a perennial topic. I have written paragraphs outlining the statistics I would like to see. I think that it was late summer when bbover3 said that the current stats would be reviewed after the big end-of-year crush was over. Considering how much remains to be done, I can't argue against putting this in a low priority category. But I do ask people to ignore the number of registered installations (our most inaccurate statistic) and simply mention our number of registered members (still larger than our active membership, but not by so embarassing an amount). The figure I track is daily runtime. Convert into hours and divide by 24 to get something approaching Equivalent Fulltime Computers. Or very rough and ready, 10,000 computers >= 27 years run time per day, so divide years by 27 in the daily statistics.
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Re: Accuracy re # of current active machines is important

thank you for replies. of course my point is about keeping good communication and credibility with members smile
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I agree with mycroth :) There is no point on counting points or worrying about the overall stats we see. What really matters is the work being done by the research teams. smile As 1 individual helping them that makes my day.
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Re: Accuracy re # of current active machines is important

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The current membership / installations counter was very quick and easy to implement, but it does embarass me. I hope that it will be changed. I am sure not arguing for retaining it. Just . . . wait until even more important things are done. With real, important things that need being done, this particular item seems -- cosmetic. Even so, it is always a slight embarassment. smile
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