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johann.petrak
Cruncher Joined: Nov 8, 2005 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It is really absurd and annoying that a global project forces everyone to use/put up with the absurd, non standard date format MM/DD/YY that no one every uses outside of the US and not many use in the US when they are doing proper research and can avoid it.
At least make it configurable. E.g on https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewT...=name&teamId=XXXXXXXX or on https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewMemberInfo.do?userName=xxxxx |
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PMH_UK
Veteran Cruncher UK Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Post Count: 786 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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----------------------------------------This has been requested before. Some pages obey format set in locale, some don't and some have mixed format on the same page! Old ones include "Member since", "last updated" on team page, "installed & registered" on device management. Many new pages show local date such as yyyy-mm-dd but "created" on results page is mmm. dd, yyyy as popup on overview page, My activity over time and "last result returned" is monthname dd, yyyy Paul.
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7844 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It is really absurd and annoying that a global project forces everyone to use/put up with the absurd, non standard date format MM/DD/YY that no one every uses outside of the US and not many use in the US when they are doing proper research and can avoid it. At least make it configurable. I do a bit of spreadsheet work and in the course of that run across differing date formats. All of the spreadsheet types I use (Excel, Gnumeric, and LibreOffice Calc) are pretty adept at converting the existing format to one which may be more acceptable in various applications. Any of the statistical packages such as SAS, SPSS, etc handle a variety of date/time formats.Even if the date is formatted as text rather than as a date, it can be handled. In some posts I did several years years ago, this issue was brought to my attention as I was using the mm/dd/yy format. I changed to the alpha for for the month and went with the 4 digit year. This eliminated any confusion as to what date was referenced i.e January 01, 2021. As to how the dates appear on the website, that is up to the web designers. I can get used to just about any format as long as I know which one is being used. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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johann.petrak
Cruncher Joined: Nov 8, 2005 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I do a bit of spreadsheet work and in the course of that run across differing date formats. All of the spreadsheet types I use (Excel, Gnumeric, and LibreOffice Calc) are pretty adept at converting the existing format to one which may be more acceptable in various applications. No spreadsheet, nor any human will / can possibly know if 02/01/2021 refers to Feb 1st or Jan 2nd without context or knowledge whether the utterly idiotic US format MM/DD/YYYY is used or the less idiotic but still stupid non ISO format DD/MM/YYY. It is absurd that in 2021 on a "scientific" web page one has to even think about this. The date should be shown in format YYYY-MM-DD everywhere as is common in practically all parts of the world and especially among scientists so no human or excel sheet or other software needs to second guess which format may be used. This is why ISO exists and has been a success. Yes it is up to the web designer or rather implementer and I have posted this under "Website support" exactly for the reason that the implementer has got it embarrassingly wrong on many pages, hopen for somebody to finally correct it. |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7844 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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No spreadsheet, nor any human will / can possibly know if 02/01/2021 refers to Feb 1st or Jan 2nd without context or knowledge whether the utterly idiotic US format MM/DD/YYYY is used or the less idiotic but still stupid non ISO format DD/MM/YYY. Yes, context is the key. Interesting, I did not know there is a format which used a 3 digit year. I am also thankful they are not using a Julian date format. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 638 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Where I am (french Canada), DD/MM/YYYY is generally used whereas english Canada generally uses MM/DD/YYYY.
My question: why is DD/MM/YYYY less idiotic than MM/DD/YYYY. I understand the stupid part re:02/01/2021. quoi? |
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D_S_Spence
Advanced Cruncher Canada Joined: Jan 5, 2017 Post Count: 118 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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YYYY-MM-DD is big-endian and is perfect.
DD-MM-YYYY is little endian for the date portion, but then the time that follows is always big-endian (HH:mm:SS). MM-DD-YYYY is some kind of weird middle-endian monster. It hurts my brain. :-) |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 638 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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That explains nothing relating to my question. The ISO version is the sorting order and is perfect except when speaking.
The other two are just the way it is spoken.and are equally idiotic but only for this conversation because one was deemed less idiotic than the other. Aujourd'hui est le 24 septembre 2021 Today is September 24 2021 No one says: Today is 2021 September 24 or Aujourd'hui est le 2021 septembre 24 Well maybe R2D2 on a bad day |
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adriverhoef
Master Cruncher The Netherlands Joined: Apr 3, 2009 Post Count: 2346 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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My question: why is DD/MM/YYYY less idiotic than MM/DD/YYYY. Maybe because there's a simple answer: mm/dd/yyyy is idiotic, where dd/mm/yyyy isn't ;dd/mm/yyyy (or dd-mm-yyyy or dd.mm.yyyy or dd mm yyyy) is more logical. Nearly every country in the world uses some form of DMY or YMD, except American Samoa, Federated States of Micronesia, Guam, Marshall Islands, Northern Mariana Islands, United States Minor Outlying Islands, United States Virgin Islands. Nearly all countries don't use MDY (Australia uses MDY sometimes, Eritrea sometimes, Guinea sometimes, Hong Kong rarely, India sometimes, Nepal sometimes, Norway rarely, Palau rarely, Singapore sometimes, Sri Lanka rarely, United Kingdom rarely, Vietnam sometimes). (See Wikipedia.) |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 638 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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That is still just an opinion (yours) that DMY is more logical probably because where you are uses it and that is what you are used to seeing. My neighbours to the south would probably see it completely the opposite.
----------------------------------------Like I said, both are used where I am. MDY and DMY regardless of what Wikipedia says. I'm talking of the people on the street. Both are illogical in writing especially in the first 12 days of any month. [Edit 1 times, last edit by BobbyB at Sep 25, 2021 3:24:13 PM] |
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