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Former Member
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When building a dedicated cruncher which of the two should have priority and why?
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Personally I would go for the most cores possible. The clock speed, even overclocked is going to top out in the upper 4ghz, maybe 5ghz range. Anything higher than that is risking instability. Anyway the marginal gain from the clock speed is to the best of knowledge, fairly small. More work will get done with more cores without the heat problems associated with higher clock speeds. Just my two cents worth.
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thunder7
Senior Cruncher Netherlands Joined: Mar 6, 2013 Post Count: 238 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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What is your priority in building it? Do you want the fastest cruncher you can get for any money, of the highest crunch speed/dollar ratio, or what?
----------------------------------------Do note that it's possible to buy anything from 2 to 64 cores, but clockspeed is less able to scale (1.5-5 GHz, I'd say). So if you want the fastest, you can't evade the 'many cores' option. But you may not be able or want to pay for that. [Edit 1 times, last edit by thunder7 at Feb 4, 2021 6:03:16 PM] |
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flynryan
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 235 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have found that performance scales pretty well with clock speed. The difference is that once you get into higher clock speeds above say 4 ghz or so, power consumption starts increasing exponentially. So you're best off with a 3-4 ghz clock speed with as many cores as you can get.
Another factor that I take into account is how many machines I want to deal with. I'd rather run 2 machines vs. 4 machines even though the CPU's on those 2 machines cost quite a bit more. Less overhead overall in terms of power consumption and all the other parts needed for multiple systems. If you budget allows, a 16c/32t Ryzen 3950x or 5950x is a good high core count CPU that also has high clock speeds. I have been very happy with mine. |
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Anything above a 3 ghz works good. But, when you go for large core count, make sure you have enough memory to handle all threads crunching so you don't have virtual memory jumping in. 2gb per thread is comfortable. could get away with 1gb per thread depending on the project.
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Many cores and an as large Level 3 cache as possible !
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Cruncher Joined: Dec 9, 2017 Post Count: 3 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I would recommend for cores.
----------------------------------------Your point credit scales with cores x GHz. Your badge / run time scales with cores (threads) A used Dual CPU Rack server like an HP DL380 G9 with E5-2660 V4 at base frequency of 2.0 Ghz (2x14x2.0Ghz = 56Ghz). [Edit 1 times, last edit by tmbwcg at Feb 6, 2021 5:09:30 PM] |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 638 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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At what point do you take which CPU into consideration as opposed to just speed (GHz). Let me explain.
I understand more cores and more GHz. But the performance of GHz of an I9 cannot be the same as that of an I3 at the same GHz. The only example I have is changing a 4 core i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GH to a 4 core i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GH and saw more points produced. And where do the BOINC benchmark numbers come in? I'm looking at converting an old Phenom II X6 1055T to something else by changing the motherboard, CPU, and memory. Everything else in the tower will do. The Ryzen 3950x and 5900x above look interesting. It can't be that the GHz of an AMD CPU is the same as the GHz of any other AMD CPU. Or is it? Then it's just cores. Going from a Phenom II X6 to a Ryzen xxxx must be part of it. |
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Bryn Mawr
Senior Cruncher Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Post Count: 385 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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At what point do you take which CPU into consideration as opposed to just speed (GHz). Let me explain. I understand more cores and more GHz. But the performance of GHz of an I9 cannot be the same as that of an I3 at the same GHz. The only example I have is changing a 4 core i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GH to a 4 core i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GH and saw more points produced. And where do the BOINC benchmark numbers come in? I'm looking at converting an old Phenom II X6 1055T to something else by changing the motherboard, CPU, and memory. Everything else in the tower will do. The Ryzen 3950x and 5900x above look interesting. It can't be that the GHz of an AMD CPU is the same as the GHz of any other AMD CPU. Or is it? Then it's just cores. Going from a Phenom II X6 to a Ryzen xxxx must be part of it. What you’re missing is the instructions per cycle which can range from 1 for an arm chip to maybe 0.125 for an old chip like the 8088. |
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