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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

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Thank you so much, mbotmiller, for your reporting on the M1 Mac Mini! I just got one and will be trying it out.
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Been running WCG on the base model M1 MacBook Air and seems to perform fairly well. Activity monitor has not been showing any memory pressure and cpu temperature (despite no fan) has remained perfectly fine. I was also running Rosetta@Home but that seemed a bit more problematic at times. Neither application has been ported to M1 native so anxious to see performance once that happens.

Beyond BOINC the machine overall is pretty impressive and gives my beefy iMac a run for its money. As my travel laptop this thing punches way above its pay grade.
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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

Thank you so much, mbotmiller, for your reporting on the M1 Mac Mini! I just got one and will be trying it out.

You're very welcome, nickoli - it was fun to run those tests and monitor electricity usage while doing so and share that information with the community! Hope it goes well with your M1 Mac mini.

Neither application has been ported to M1 native so anxious to see performance once that happens.

I'm with you jmenard - I'll be very curious when that happens to take another look at the performance and efficiency numbers. I'm guessing it may be a while though (months to years?) before the underlying science applications that a number of the projects use are rewritten to run natively on Apple Silicon processors running macOS. I'll also be curious whether the GPU in the M1 chip is supported at all if/when the OpenPandemics project goes production with GPU work units - that may happen sooner than the other underlying science applications being rewritten for Apple Silicon.
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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

Update:

As I mentioned in a earlier post I have been running WCG on a base model MacBook Air with the M1 chip (8GB). It is my secondary "travel" laptop and in that role is an impressive machine.

Like others have mentioned some WCG projects, most notably Mapping Cancer Markers, seem to take an inordinate amount of memory and often pause some of the project threads from running. I am assuming it is a function of being run using Apple's emulation software for programs not native to M1. What I have found (similar to others above) is that restricting that machine to the Open Pandemic project mitigates that problem.

Hopefully at some point in the future projects will accommodate the new apple architecture but in the meantime this seems to be a good compromise.

Curious how others are doing
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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

I wanted to share a quick update on an experiment Iโ€™ve been trying with my M1 Mac mini with 8GB of memory. Given that the M1 chip architecture has four highโ€‘efficiency cores and four high-performance cores, I wondered what would happen if I limited WCG to only run on the four high-performance cores (via limiting the BOINC agent to only use 50% of the cores in the system - macOS should automatically assign the four WCG threads to the four high-performance cores).

The results I have observed when doing that are quite promising, achieving comparable or slightly elevated output compared to when using all eight cores. For the past seven days, my base M1 Mac mini has averaged both 44,800 points and 152 results per day while exclusively running the Mapping Cancer Markers project on only the four high-performance cores (see https://imgur.com/a/4vHaOAL for a screenshot of that table). In addition, in a sample size of 75 valid results that I analyzed, the average completion time was 0.62 hours per result and ranged from 0.2 hours on the shortest end to 1.03 hours on the longest end. Moreover, these results were achieved while I was also using this same Mac mini for ~7-9 hours of work on 4 of the 7 days (consisting mostly of video meetings using the M1-optimized version of Zoom, email, spreadsheets, etc.) For owners with a M1 model that has 8GB of memory, another benefit of only using four cores is reducing WCG memory usage by half.

I also wanted to share a nifty command I came across to see more detailed information about CPU utilization and power usage on macOS: sudo powermetrics -s cpu_power

Here is a screenshot of what the output of that terminal command looks like on a M1 Mac mini: https://imgur.com/a/qOuHYDv

Iโ€™ve continued to be pleased with the performance of the M1 chip. The efficiency is still outstanding with the total average system power draw of ~25 watts resulting in 0.6 kWh used per day. Based on this past week's worth of MCM data, roughly 74,500 points are generated per kWh for that project.
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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

This is a long thread, and I have not read it all. But I will share this:

The latest version of BOINC supports both intel and M1 Macs.

Einstein just released a beta app for the M1 (FGRP5).

The M1 took 3 hours and 53 minutes per task, running 8 at a time.

For comparison, I started 8 tasks on my iMac with a i7-4790K (4c/8t), and they are still running. It looks like those will take about 12 hours.
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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

Hi all. I was away from this thread longer than I expected. I am considering purchasing a Mac Mini M1 base with 8GB RAM and 256GB drive to be solely used to run BOINC and Mapping Cancer Markers project 24x7 at 100% CPU utilization.


I have a few questions:

1)Is anyone here able to run the M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM at 100% all cores 24x7 with WCG? If it is throttling, can you please elaborate?

2)Anyone else here running the Mac Mini with 8GB and the MCM project? I read somewhere a few months ago that MCM uses much more RAM on a Mac than on Windows.

3)Is the M1 Mini silent and cool running BOINC full throttle 24x7 just like the Macbook Air? I hope.

Anything else I should consider before buying this machine for this purpose?

Thanks!
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Re: Apple M1 Chip and ARM: Impacts on BOINC and WUs?

I'm also about to get an M1 Mini, but as a "daily driver" replacing an old MacBook Pro. While I hope to do some development on it as well as my normal day to day stuff, it will definitely be running BOINC the rest of the time. Whether WCG's app requires more RAM or not, because it is not upgradable later, I intend to spring for the extra 8GB - "you can never have enough RAM." Storage, eh - can always add external drives. But 8GB seems REAL tight to me, even for a machine that won't be heavily loaded.
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