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Mike.Gibson
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

The real problem here is people like Rod above (RTS48) who have too large a cache to be able to complete the work in time, At least Rod seems to have got the message but there are many more of them out there. Hopefully some of them may have seen those messages.

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Re: Not enough time given for a task

Slow, wrong time estimation, and possibly wrong claimed credits. Granted credits ok.
My HP mini 110-1000, Intel atom N270 laughing 1.6 GHz, 1 core 2 threads, Debian Buster 32 bit, with 2 GB RAM and 500 GB SATA SSD. At first it shows ARP1 estimated time of 4 days. Finished with CPU time 169.11 hours (7.046 days), it went slightly past 7 day deadline, too slow. I got the granted credits so that was something good. I changed this computer to just SCC1 and MIP1, those runs at around 10 hours each on slow CPU.
ARP1_0025006_029
OS type Status Sent Return Hours Credits
Linuxmint Valid 10/10/20 14:13:06 10/11/20 11:19:05 20.96 146.0 / 603.9
Debian Valid 10/10/20 14:10:33 10/17/20 19:18:49 169.11 1,061.8 / 603.9
Linux Server Aborted 10/17/20 14:11:30 10/17/20 20:23:25 0.00 489.6 / 0.0
Old Intel atom N270 (edit, not Z270), no ARP1, yes for other tasks. I use this computer for Linux Hostapd.
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

The real problem is the tasks given are way too big to be completed in a month rather than a week.
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

The real problem is the tasks given are way too big to be completed in a month rather than a week.

In the system requirements, the expectations and limitations are clearly defined.
Even if scientists try to take care of the contributors, the science should represent the main priority.
In case of ARP1, it is clear that based on the data volume requiring to be computed, it is not possible to build smaller WUs without making task tayloring and result validation more complex and finally less efficient.
On a 10 years old Phenom II x6 (Linux), an ARP1 WU takes currently between 22 and 28 hours. We do not speak about weeks or month.
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

Slow, wrong time estimation, and possibly wrong claimed credits. Granted credits ok.
My HP mini 110-1000, Intel atom N270 laughing 1.6 GHz, 1 core 2 threads, Debian Buster 32 bit, with 2 GB RAM and 500 GB SATA SSD. At first it shows ARP1 estimated time of 4 days. Finished with CPU time 169.11 hours (7.046 days), it went slightly past 7 day deadline, too slow. I got the granted credits so that was something good. I changed this computer to just SCC1 and MIP1, those runs at around 10 hours each on slow CPU.
ARP1_0025006_029
OS type Status Sent Return Hours Credits
Linuxmint Valid 10/10/20 14:13:06 10/11/20 11:19:05 20.96 146.0 / 603.9
Debian Valid 10/10/20 14:10:33 10/17/20 19:18:49 169.11 1,061.8 / 603.9
Linux Server Aborted 10/17/20 14:11:30 10/17/20 20:23:25 0.00 489.6 / 0.0

Well, "wrong claimed credits" as you say, sam6861, 146 credits sounds way too low to me, while 603.9 seems about right, so 1,061.8 credits feels like a compensation. smile
Nicely formatted, BTW! wink rose
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

146+1061.8 divided by 2 is 603.90 or thereabouts. The averaging rule work in someone's favor and bold claimant what was due, albeit 169.11 hours computing is longer than the 7 day deadline by 1.11 hours. A device not fit for purpose.
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

Basically, both machines claimed about 7 points per hour of crunching. Mine claims about 28 points per hour for 20 hour units. Faster machines claim more points per hour but not enough to make up the difference. So, then WCG take the average of the 2 and grant that to both machines.

In your case, the 20 hour machine should have claimed over 500 points. I can't find a comparison for 7 days, but the average seems to be about right.

I would be more concerned if I were the owner of the 20 hour machine, but maybe (s)he isn't bothered about points.

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Re: Not enough time given for a task

An interesting unit has just been received, A new one but only 3.5 days allowed for both me and my wingman. It is an 030 so WCG are presumably trying to get it to catch up with the rest of the 030s.

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Re: Not enough time given for a task

ARP1_0010185_030
This particular task was received by my old 2.66 GhZ machine and as of now the task has been processing 1day and 21 hours; the return time is tomorrow evening about early evening BUT the time remaining as shown on Boinc manager is 1 day and 14 hours; Obviously the task will be rejected because of a substantial overrun past the mandatory reporting time.
I intended to post to Administration and ask them to extend the time measurably for ALL Africa Rainfall Projects but then I read virtually all the postings in this forum and I DID NOT SEE ONE REPLY FROM SOMEONE THAT COULD READILY FIX THE PROBLEMS.
Therefore I will forget about asking for further assistance as previously posted by my fellow contributors and I will delete Africa Rainfall Project from my WCG choices and now I have aborted the particular task because it cannot finish and the facts say ADMIN will not respond. Disappointed!
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Re: Not enough time given for a task

Billy

The problem with arp1 is that it is an iterative process and they can't release the next unit for that patch of Africa until that one has been returned. Nearly all are returning their units within 3 days which would keep their machine listed as reliable because that enables them to get resends which have a deadline of 3.5 days instead of the usual 7 days.

You didn't say whether your unit had a 3.5 or 7 day deadline. You also didn't say how big a cache you were holding. If you hold a large cache, the units take too long to reach the front of the queue and therefore miss the deadline. I would suggest that you reduce your cache to no more that 2 days plus 1 day in Device Profiles. Go into Device Profiles and set it to 'Custom' and then you can change the cache settings.

The only reason for having a higher cache setting is if the units are not readily available, but all projects at the moment are readily available.

That should fix your problem only 4 hours after your posting.

Incidentally, if you overrun by a few hours the next person would not have enough time to return it and so you would get the credit. If he hasn't even started the unit WCG would abort his unit so there would be no duplication. If he beats you, you would not get the credit.

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