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Former Member
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Yesterday marked the 2 year anniversary of the announcement of the 3 climate projects that were picked to be onboarded to WCG. So far, only ARP has been onboarded. Is there anyway we can get a few sentences, brief paragraph, anything in way of an update on where the onboarding process stands regarding the project from Emory University and the Aerosols project from Russia?
Additionally, can there also be a statement offered explaining the reasoning behind IBM/WCG desire to be so secretive regarding proposed, unvetted, unannounced, and even announced but not onboarded projects. It would seem reasonable that identifying possible future projects would be beneficial for the recruitment and retention of members. Even if they fail vetting it would be helpful to understand the depth of the project pipeline in maintaining interest in contributing to the grid. These are not IBM developed products or strategies that would fall under competitive advantage, financial, or legal disclosure embargoes. It's not like there isn't precedence for this as the 3 climate projects were announced prior to onboarding and Open Pandemic was announced prior to onboarding. This may have been answered in the past but after 14 years I may have forgotten the answer and it might be good to get a refresh. |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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For being able to launch a project, you need two key-players being ready:
----------------------------------------- scientists - WCG. My feeling is that sometime the problem is located at the scientists side rather than at WCG's side. I can understand that WCG is not willing to speak/write negatively about the scientists and that it could be the reason why we have so few information available prior project launch. It is just my "2 cents assumption". Cheers, Yves |
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Former Member
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Doesn't have to be negative just factual. Such as; Project was cancelled due to lack of funding. It's nobody's fault, just is what it is. What I would like to see is something similar to the monthly updates Caitlin does for the current projects. However, for the proposed projects it wouldn't need to be monthly more like quarterly or even ever 6 months. Something like: Project xyz just begun coding for adapting to the grid. We anticipate project 123 to enter alpha testing soon. We have received a proposal for a project and it is being vetted. Some will go all the way to onboarding, some won't. Nothing negative just a matter of fact. What's in there that needs to be secret. Don't have to include the participants names, institution names, dollars just high level information.
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ErikaT
Former World Community Grid Admin USA Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Post Count: 912 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hello,
I moved this post, and replies to this post, since it was not related specifically to ARP. Thank you, ErikaT |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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... can there also be a statement offered explaining the reasoning behind IBM/WCG desire to be so secretive regarding proposed, unvetted, unannounced, and even announced but not onboarded projects. I can't speak to the two MIA climate projects, but from a "date" point of view, I seem to remember that WCG is secretive about delivery dates is because there are many things that can not go the way they were intended and influence so the promised date not be met. Then WCG has to give explanations what happened to miss the date, etc. Just easier on everybody that everybody find out at the same time when the project is delivered.CJSL Crunching for the fun of it.... |
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Former Member
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Not asking for dates, just status of where each project is in the onboarding process. It will happen when it happens. Still not seeing the difficulties in this.
----------------------------------------P.S.--Now that this has been moved to the Chat Room (the post graveyard) I'm assuming that the staff has decided to ignore this and move on. Fair enough. Doesn't mean I can't pursue other avenues such as through the office of the CTO of Corporate Citizenship Programs. I know it's hard to believe but there are other ways to communicate other than these forums. Actually, I've been able to get better responses using the researcher's public email addresses instead of these forums. Was hoping to use the provided facilities for such communications but it's evident they are going to be summarily ignored. However, If it is because the question wasn't formulated in such a way as to provide for a reasonable response, please state so and I will restate the question. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Doneske at Apr 29, 2020 12:00:45 AM] |
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Dayle Diamond
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Doneske, I share your concerns.
Moving the post here and making a point of not answering your concerns, or even pledging a future update (or even refusing and pledging future secrecy!), seems passive-aggressive to me. My concern is that IBM is unwilling to follow through on the necessary funding for World Community Grid. ARP is still being dramatically throttled to reduce server and storage load. Meanwhile starvation in Africa has a higher annual death count than TB, HIV, or any of the individual cancers we're studying. While AIDS phase 2 is sending out a new result or two each day based on the previous result, ARP holds most of them back and issues them at a slow stream. They're only on iteration nine or ten and, if memory serves, expect to take four years to complete their first experiment. If all work units were released as quickly as possible, we could be looking at half a year instead. Who's to say the other environmental projects aren't even more resource-intensive? |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I agree, would be nice to get such information. Simply saying "we received 3 proposals for projects about Liver Cancer, Enteroviruses and Pseudomonas and we will keep you updated. Also, the Immunology project previously mentioned has passed to the next stage of development as the researchers agreed to publish their data while the Parkinson disease project has come to a halt due to to software limitations. As always, WCG does not commit itself to any deadlines." every now and then would be awesome to know what is in the pipeline, how much interest WCG gauges in the scientific world, etc
----------------------------------------I also contact researchers every now and then. Most reply, some don't (UGM1, for instance). There are some very good news out there but WCG can't publish without a peer-reviewed paper.  - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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cjslman
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Dayle Diamond
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Yay! The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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