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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Can you imagine the damage that would be done to Rosetta for WCG to download a "bunch" of work then cancel anything without the COVID-19 in the name. The amount of resend activity on their database would be unmanageable. Then you have to ask the question, download to what? Should they be put in the WCG database? IF not, how is WCG going to distribute the work? Unfortunately, there are some that are totally clueless as to how BOINC works and what happens on the backend. Potential outcome is both projects suffer needlessly when doing what supdood suggests is so much easier. Additionally, who is going to write the code to do all that checking? Who is going to provide the disk space for the downloaded (and potentially uploaded work)? The amount of data I pull from R@h & abort is also some portion of it. If you don't know how the WCG is going to redistribute the work, then you're in a wrong forum altogether & clueless how BOINC works. & please don't ask for extra workspace, as WCG has everything on virtual servers.  BTW, will report your "word playing".  |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Dear WCG members, I fully understand needs and urge to support some covid-19 related science. However, covid-19 is only one of many diseases hurting the humankind. If everyone is just focusing on covid-19, forgetting / overseeing every other research projects, it will create additional troubles in science. Please, as far as possible, remain faithful to the projects you usually support, since behind these projects, there are a lot of scientists relying on your contribution and support. Happy crunching, Yves COVID-19 is a HIGH CRISIS project right now. Why? It has a reproduction rate of 2,5. So everyone infected gets 2,5 another people infected. What it means, if we let it out to walk around freely - GLOBAL EPIDEMIC is in 25 days:  So far it has been contained & that is why we all #stayhome. There's also an article in Deutsche welle which states that 1/3 of infected gets up to 30% reduced lung function: https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-pati...6nqgiTPKVf9PPXPgMXzxZYV9Q So yes, imagine all of the people dead after age of 70 (or 99% of them at least). & imagine 1/3 of population with some reduced lung function (to that order, that they can't run more than 10m). Still not thinking it's not a CRISIS PROJECT? |
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supdood
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 6, 2015 Post Count: 333 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Why would WCG go through all of the trouble to do this when WCG users can simply sign up for Rosetta? Takes less than 5 minutes for a user to do so if they want. 'cause, you would: - not get scientist involved with R@h on WCG - they have the project already - R@h also does some other jobs, which users like me are "deleting" - WCG would be a user on R@h, but here WCG will have a dedicated project fro users here - & would be a nice fix to the problem, some little programming on the server. In response to the three items I made bold above: 1. Exactly. Those who want to can join. 2. Stop deleting non-COVID tasks. Doing so won't speed up the COVID research. The only way to move the Rosetta COVID research along more quickly is to complete all tasks in the Rosetta queue more quickly. 3. There is no problem to fix. Also, your response to KerSamson misses the point: they are saying that because this is a crisis project we should continue focusing on under-resourced projects. Crisis projects bring funding and major response efforts, as we are seeing with laboratory research around the world, super computing resource allocation, and huge increases in compute capacity at Folding and Rosetta. KerSamson is asking us not to lose sight of the other worthy projects that are ongoing at WCG. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by supdood at Mar 30, 2020 2:03:34 PM] |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Why would WCG go through all of the trouble to do this when WCG users can simply sign up for Rosetta? Takes less than 5 minutes for a user to do so if they want. 'cause, you would: - not get scientist involved with R@h on WCG - they have the project already - R@h also does some other jobs, which users like me are "deleting" - WCG would be a user on R@h, but here WCG will have a dedicated project fro users here - & would be a nice fix to the problem, some little programming on the server. In response to the three items I made bold above: 1. Exactly. Those who want to can join. 2. Stop deleting non-COVID tasks. Doing so won't speed up the COVID research. The only way to move the Rosetta COVID research along more quickly is to complete all tasks in the Rosetta queue more quickly. 3. There is no problem to fix. Also, your response to KerSamson misses the point: they are saying that because this is a crisis project we should continue focusing on under-resourced projects. Crisis projects bring funding and major response efforts, as we are seeing with laboratory research around the world, super computing resource allocation, and huge increases in compute capacity at Folding and Rosetta. KerSamson is asking us not to lose sight of the other worthy projects that are ongoing at WCG. One thing is for sure & that is you haven't read anything what I posted. & it's not polite to say something to someone, when you're not even arguing about it. WCG is, from what I can see, still same old-WCG...not doing anything important & not willing to do change about it. As we live in 21st century, we hope that some things can be changed to survive. WCG, if it doesn't changes, will not survive. & gradually, but surely, people will abandon the WCG. |
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ErikaT
Former World Community Grid Admin USA Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Post Count: 912 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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We are locking this thread.
World Community Grid encourages civil debates and productive discussion. Swearing, arguing, personal attacks, and other uncivil behavior are a violation of forum rules. And at a time like this, when much of the globe is under enormous stress due to a pandemic and scientists are racing against time to try to help, we are not going to allow this type of behavior in a forum dedicated to scientific research. |
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