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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 865 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Robokapp said:
----------------------------------------nanoprobe said: Oh Boo Hoo. I'm not getting my fair share of the new project WUs.. Woe is me. Need some cheese with that whine. If you're so unhappy with the way things are run why are you here? it's disappointing to see responses like these... what are they trying to achieve other than target someone you disagree with who's expressing his opinion on a discussion board? Strongly disagree. I'm very much against whining and "fair share" garbage and negativity. People need to be more rational and understanding and start acting like adults. We already intellectually know that 1) projects ramp up over time so it's normal to start slow to ensure preliminary data looks good (coordinate with research team), and 2) we already know that there are back-end storage bottlenecks that need to be solved prior to cranking up availability. Given the above, I don't want to see childish whining about "I can't get any work units" when literally 5-10 minutes of work -- one time! -- will give your devices all the work units they can crunch 24/7! Whining for whining sake is childish especially when there's already a solution. Not getting work units is a selfish attitude. If you look at the big picture and see things from the researchers' point of view, 100% of work is being crunched and returned, so that objective is met. Patience and understanding and rationality and maturity, folks. I'm sure availability will improve as storage bottlenecks are resolved, and there's still two more climate modeling projects in the pipeline.
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Nope, nothing personal at all. I'm just trying to get people to stop whining and be more patient and positive. We saw the same kind of complaining with HSTB work.
----------------------------------------I don't know if I should take the bait, but in case you're asking in good faith instead of in bad faith, I took a multi-year break from distributed computing when my desktop died in 2007 and the laptop I put on credit card was my only computer I could use for school, and I didn't want to stress it with a distributed computing project because it was my only computer. In those years I've gone through long bouts of struggling with six-figure student loan debt and struggling to find a job without a car in a rural small town, so when it comes to buying food and paying for rent, distributed computing projects are the least of my concerns. That and having health issues develop and not having health insurance or a way to see a doctor kind of put priorities in perspective. In fact, currently I'm in the lowest part of my life with even worse health issues and no health insurance and no access to health care, so the attack on my participation is shameful and sinful. Only in recent years can I start participating again in WCG (after many years of doing Folding@home), and I'm blessed to be able to volunteer again for WCG and BOINC. Shame on you for attacking me. When I call for maturity, I'm simply saying to stop whining and stop blaming WCG. There's a few people here who whine and whine about not getting work when two solutions have already been outlined: 1) fill up buffer with, say, MIP1 work units then the device will naturally get lots of ARP1 work, or 2) automate the BOINC update at the appropriate times. Either method is about 5-10 minutes of effort. But instead of putting in a little effort, people would rather complain. That's all I was saying is off-putting. It's fine to complain if there's no solution, but when some solutions exist that require minimal effort and merit, there's no valid justification to incessantly be so whiny and negative. I've said over and over: 1) Projects ramp up, so be patient. uplinger and armstrdj have both outlined reasons why this project is the way it currently is. armstrdj said: Work is regularly loaded throughout the day for this project, as is with other projects, however due to storage requirements for this project the total daily number of tasks is much less than typical projects. Please see the following post for more details: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewpostinthread?post=615973 Thanks, armstrdj armstrdj said: Work unit size and numbers: Due to the large file sizes of the input and output for this project, the number of tasks sent out per day will be much less than typical projects. For launch, we are starting slow, and while the total number of tasks sent out per day may increase some as we get further in to the project, at this point we anticipate those increases to be minimal. uplinger said: The reality is, we would love to run this at full speed as well. With this project being a beast, it takes a lot to make sure things are processing properly. We are making sure our hosting can handle it with the current setup or if major updates are required to support it. We are also working with the researchers to make sure the data get put in the proper location for result analysis. I had an estimate from early on in this project that we would exceed 1 PByte of data for the scope it is now. Storing this information for say 10 years is not cheap as you need replication to prevent data loss. Also this information needs to be easily and quickly accessed for analysis. Until some of this is fully resolved, we are processing at the current speed with incremental updates as World Community Grid confirms we don't need to upgrade anything. Thanks, -Uplinger People simply just need to be more patient. I was simply advocating for this. :) 2) Others have chimed in too that we should simply be grateful for whatever work we can get. And others have also echoed the point that this project is less than two weeks from launch so it's likely that in the future the project will have a little more supply. Sgt Joe said: I have over 70 threads running and I have only gotten 6 so far, but I am not really hunting them either. This project will probably take a few years, so I am not too worried about getting a badge in the first month. Try to think about this as a shakedown cruise. When you first try something new, you don't put the pedal to the metal right out of the gate, but you try out the new item more slowly to see if there are any problems you did not anticipate so you can correct them in a timely manner. And if you read Uplinger's post about the possible storage requirements for this project, you will realize they are still in the shakedown phase. Cheers supdood said: I've gotten three so far over 12 threads while keeping them 100% busy with the following strategy: Fill your queue with another project, then switch to only requesting arp1. Refill the queue as needed with the other project and repeat. There are a disturbing number of folks reporting empty queues when you could be using this easy strategy. gb009761 said: Obviously, once the techs are happy with the project launch and everything is looking good/the speed of WU generation has reached 'peak performance', then the handbrake can be fully released. DrMason said: We should keep in mind that 1) this is a volunteer hobby, and 2) units aren't scarce or have few checkpoints because WCG and the scientists want to tick people off. It's just how some projects are, due to either the structure of the project, or technological limitations, or personnel shortages. HSTB wants to produce more work, but they are having trouble finding more researchers to help them process the results data. With ARP, the checkpoints are set at 8 because that's apparently the only way the software works. In a perfect world, everything would be quick and plentiful and exactly how we want it, but our world isn't perfect and that's not necessarily WCG or the researchers' fault. So, Aurum, maybe take a breath and be happy that we have a chance to contribute at all. I'm sure everyone appreciates your great contributions to the site. I know I'm amazed by how much power you're contributing to the grid. But that doesn't mean that you get special treatment. If you're worried about your biblepay/gridcoin gains, then you might want to focus on one of the other projects. Jim1348 said: The purpose, as with all projects, is not to provide amusement and entertainment for crunchers. It is to get the work done. It appears that they have more than enough volunteer help for that. That is good. Dayle Diamond, nothing has been personal here. I'm simply advocating for positivity, patience, and maturity. It's likely you just misinterpreted my post (whether intentionally or accidentally) and decided to attack me personally. Either way, do not do it again. I live my life according to both the secular Golden Rule as well as the 2nd Great Commandment. Since you decided to personally attack me, I'm letting you know I'm reporting your post so that appropriate action can be taken. Leave the negativity and personal attacks far away from this community and away from me.
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I don't know if this is simply "bait" or not, but it's really low-hanging fruit to repudiate, so I will.
----------------------------------------Dayle Diamond said: Why are you lecturing anybody on being childish, or selfish, or crunching 24/7 or doing ALL the work researchers could need when you cancel your participation after reaching two-year badges? Where have I ever stated that I cancel my participation after a certain badge is met? I think you're speculating. Either way, shame on you for attacking another volunteer. We should all applaud each other for any participation we give. Dayle Diamond said: You've been contributing for over a decade but somehow your 14 cores only totaled 90 days apiece on the AIDS projects. There was a stretch of time FAH1 was the only major project. Again, you're speculating. I've been contributing since about 2016 when my stepfather gave me an older Dell OptiPlex that he got for free, and I decided to donate it to WCG. Just because I joined WCG early doesn't mean I've been contributing this whole time. And just because I currently have about 14 cores doesn't mean I've always been this blessed. In fact, I'm planning to sell the Coffee Lake system as soon as possible for the money. I contributed to distributed.net then United Devices (grid.org) and didn't know that UD/grid.org would disappear. I finally joined WCG when UD/grid disappeared but couldn't participate fully because my desktop died in 2007. Only recently have I been blessed with some cheap desktops to use to donate to WCG. Dayle Diamond said: That's a "automatically join new projects" rounding error. You canceled your participation rather than fight HIV/AIDS. What? You sound unhinged. I don't know where you're getting any of this. I volunteer as much as I can using whatever resources I can. When I finally graduate and get a decent paying job, I dream of being able to contribute more. Dayle Diamond said: That doesn't look 'rational and mature'. It sort of sounds like this was your motive... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_All_the_Right_People What? You're accusing me of wanting to see people suffer and die just because I don't have a certain badge for a project? You definitely sound unhinged man. Using your logic, I only have a bronze badge for Help Defeat Cancer, yet cancer is currently affecting my family and may even be affecting me, but using your logic I must then want cancer patients to suffer and die because my badge isn't in line with my other badges. I don't regret at all reporting your post for attacking me. This kind of nastiness is exactly what drives people away from volunteer projects like this, and it's exactly why I will always speak up for positivity and the 2nd Great Commandment. Do not belittle me just because I can't contribute more to WCG. I'm doing the very best I can. And believe it or not, but I'm active through word of mouth to get people to join distributed computing projects, and I try my best to be active and helpful in forums and in person and on GitHub.
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Jack007
Master Cruncher CANADA Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 1604 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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hchc,
----------------------------------------Hope your health and life/job situation gets better. I've had money issues and even a bloody war (in 03) Get in the way of contributing. I've had people (not on WCG) tell me why a life choice I made was wrong and he was so pleased with himself, he thought, "I should be a life coach". I told him not to give up his day job. Just like this other meatball doesn't know you. If possible, water off a ducks back. I don't always follow my own advice, but I feel better when I do. Anyway just got done with an 11 hour shift, and one starting up again in like 10, so I'll just wish you good night.  |
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ErikaT
Former World Community Grid Admin USA Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Post Count: 912 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hello all,
This is your friendly reminder/warning that all posts need to adhere to the Communication Guidelines. Please be kind and respect each other. If the personal attacks continue, the posts will be removed and the thread will be locked. Thank you for your support, ErikaT |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Strongly disagree. I'm very much against whining and "fair share" garbage and negativity. People need to be more rational and understanding and start acting like adults. We already intellectually know that 1) projects ramp up over time so it's normal to start slow to ensure preliminary data looks good (coordinate with research team), and 2) we already know that there are back-end storage bottlenecks that need to be solved prior to cranking up availability. Given the above, I don't want to see childish whining about "I can't get any work units" when literally 5-10 minutes of work -- one time! -- will give your devices all the work units they can crunch 24/7! Whining for whining sake is childish especially when there's already a solution. BINGO!!!! We have a winner. 
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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rbotterb
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Jul 21, 2005 Post Count: 401 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I've gotten 2 WUs to date and finished both successfully. Been waiting 2 days now hoping to snag my third WU for this project, but so far nada. In the mean time I'm keeping my laptop busy on the HIV-2 Project WUs.
For now getting WUs for this project is a bit like fishing in my local lakes. You put that hook out there with some bait and wait for the fish to nibble and hope you can land one. No whining on my part here, just being patient while they ramp this project up over time.  |
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Jack007
Master Cruncher CANADA Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 1604 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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got 3 more today, 1 was the computer, 2 were my trying my luck.
----------------------------------------If I can get 4 a day, I'm a happy camper. EDIT: WOW, it downloaded 3 more, 1 a rush job. 7 at one time is a new record! [Edit 1 times, last edit by Jack007 at Nov 14, 2019 4:24:54 AM] |
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5TEVE
Cruncher Joined: Sep 4, 2006 Post Count: 34 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Robokapp said:
----------------------------------------I don't want to see childish whining about "I can't get any work units" when literally 5-10 minutes of work -- one time! -- will give your devices all the work units they can crunch 24/7! Not necessarily so, I've been running a script for awhile & it seemed to work, my 4 box's were kept in a supply of Wu's. But over the last 3-4 days 2 have run completely out & 1 is about to run out, only 1 of them has a small cache of Wu's which is slowly running down too. So even running a script doesn't necessarily insure your going to get "all the Wu's you can crunch 24//7!"  |
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Former Member
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As requested, see giba post and uplinger replies, the dispensing is/was put on a 'randomic' distribution cycle.
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