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VietOZ
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 8, 2007 Post Count: 205 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Don't get me wrong, I still love the 1700. If you already have a 1700, then DO NOT upgrade to 3600 lol. But if you set out to build a new system, then 3600 is also a very good choice. Yes, it'll cost a bit extra. But you'll save on your light bills while pumping out more points and finish results more faster.
----------------------------------------Boost clock is just a short burst of a single thread for a short period of time. For crunching, it doesn't affect us. What we want is what they're calling "game clock", all cores clock under load. A friend of mine is running 4 x 3900x's on a single 850W Platinum PSU. Upfront cost can be reduce if you're creative. Electric bills can be brutal if you can't find a good deal. ![]() ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by VietOZ at Nov 19, 2019 10:19:28 PM] |
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voidcomp
Cruncher Joined: Sep 20, 2009 Post Count: 25 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Show me how a 16 thread 1700 is 'easily' outperformed by a 3600 with 25% fewer threads. And yes, the stock cooler on the 3600 is horrible.
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fuzzydice555
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 25, 2015 Post Count: 89 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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And the 1700s will also run on A320 motherboards which are about $15 cheaper as well. Small additional costs, sure, but if you're trying to create a farm, differences in price per machine add up quick haha. Those usually have weak VRMs with no VRM heatsink, I wouldn't trust those boards to run a 24/7 load with any 6/8 core Ryzen. The cheapest I use is the Gigabyte B450M S2H, it's pretty cool under load for an 1700/2700. ![]() |
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fuzzydice555
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A friend of mine is running 4 x 3900x's on a single 850W Platinum PSU. Upfront cost can be reduce if you're creative. Electric bills can be brutal if you can't find a good deal. How does he split the PSU cables? I would be very interested in a similar solution ![]() ![]() |
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VietOZ
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 8, 2007 Post Count: 205 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Show me how a 16 thread 1700 is 'easily' outperformed by a 3600 with 25% fewer threads. And yes, the stock cooler on the 3600 is horrible. Top pic 3600, bottom pic 1700. Same project, same clock speed, same OS. Ignore the big number, that 7 days worth of bunkering for the WCG's birthday race.Just look at the 17th and the 18th of November. ![]() ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by VietOZ at Nov 19, 2019 10:47:33 PM] |
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VietOZ
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 8, 2007 Post Count: 205 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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A friend of mine is running 4 x 3900x's on a single 850W Platinum PSU. Upfront cost can be reduce if you're creative. Electric bills can be brutal if you can't find a good deal. How does he split the PSU cables? I would be very interested in a similar solution ![]() He bought them on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/Athena-Power-EPS-12V...ksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 https://www.ebay.com/itm/12-inches-12v-EPS-8-...ksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 https://www.ebay.com/itm/30cm-ATX-24-Pin-Male...ksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-EPS-24-PIN-OR-AT...ksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-EPS-24-PIN-OR-AT...SPSFirstClass!77007!US!-1 |
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DrMason
Senior Cruncher Joined: Mar 16, 2007 Post Count: 153 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Those usually have weak VRMs with no VRM heatsink, I wouldn't trust those boards to run a 24/7 load with any 6/8 core Ryzen. The cheapest I use is the Gigabyte B450M S2H, it's pretty cool under load for an 1700/2700. Mmmm, that's going overboard. A320 has limitations, but it's absolutely fine running a 1600 or 1700. I know because I'm running 3 1700s on A320 boards, 24/7, for months at a time, with no heat issues or any other issues whatsoever. Now, that doesn't mean that A320 is a perfect solution for every use case. I had a very particular use case, where I was trying to get some serious crunching power, with new parts, at the lowest price possible. Any other use case? Absolutely, pay the 16% premium and get the better B350 or B450 boards, especially if you want to overclock, or if if you want to run a top of the line 2000 or 3000 series. But if you're not looking to upgrade for a long while, and you're looking to maximize the best-bang-for-the-buck value? It'll work ![]() Also, VietOZ, thanks for the links! I've been wondering if something like these would work. It would be so much more convenient to buy one good PSU and split the power delivery than to buy one for each system. And so long as total power draw was only around half of the total rated power that the PSU could deliver, it would still maximize efficiency... ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by DrMason at Nov 20, 2019 8:49:56 AM] |
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Former Member
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VietOZ wrote:
Top pic 3600, bottom pic 1700. Same project, same clock speed, same OS. Interesting results! What was the approximate mix of projects run? I.e. was MIP limited in any way? With 32 MB L3 cache for 12 threads for the Ryzen 3600 it could dramatically outperform the Ryzen 1700 with only 16 MB L3 for 16 threads, if the number of MIP units run is not very limited. With a low limit, the difference could be much lower. And did you really mean SAME clock speed? Or were they both run at base frequency (3 GHz for the 1700, 3.6 GHz for the 3600? |
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VietOZ
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Apr 8, 2007 Post Count: 205 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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@Sheridon:
----------------------------------------Yes, this time MIP gave the 3600 a bit more advantage. I'm running 5 MIP on 3600 + 7 MCM versus 3 MIP + 13 MCM on 1700. However, this wasn't the first time the 3600 has out done the 1700. During Thor challenge, I noticed the 3600 out gun the 1700 on Zika as well. Not only on WCG, on other projects during FB Sprints, same thing. By same clock speed I mean I have them both running at 3.8ghz. |
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voidcomp
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Interesting comparison. So if a 1700 and 3600 are running the same number of MIP tasks it favors the 3600 with its larger L3 cache, all other things being equal? Is this true of other projects?
I'm trying to figure out the optimized mix of projects for a 1700 which yields the greatest results because it sounds like certain projects aren't as constrained by the L3 limitation .. or that running too many of one project might be at odds with the cache limit. |
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