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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 609 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My boincstats: https://www.boincstats.com/stats/15/host/list/0/0/1113156/1
Those numbers only reflect the host machine as it is today. But the Intel i5 760 started out life as an i3-540 The AMD Athlon 7450 started out life on another machine as an Athlon II X2 245 then became a Phenom II X4 955 which has gone flaky (CPU). I simply put the disk in another junk machine I had lying around. Kudos to Linux. It just rebooted as if nothing happened and WCG just kept on going. Let's see if the flaky machine can resurrect as an i7 3770 using the same disk. |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 609 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Kudos to Linux again. I simply put the same disk into the PC which had its motherboard replaced (i7 3770) and it just booted up as if nothing occurred.
I did not expect this. My stats link above doesn't reflect the change yet. |
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Foxter
Cruncher Joined: Feb 27, 2021 Post Count: 4 Status: Offline |
Hello
I am a new participant at this project and I found an old Pentium 4 Northwood 2.66GHz PC in my storage room. I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and replaced the processor fan that was rather noisy with a Artic Cooling F8 fan. Would this PC be powerful enough for World Community Grind continuous usage? I worked on few units on it during the past days and it takes between 5 and 8 hours to solve a unit. According to the Wattmeter, the PC eats up to 120W. While it may be solve the units in time, does it have enough processing power to be important to the project? I also participate in Folding@Home with some video cards but the above mentioned P4 system is too weak even for CPU folding (you need a processor that supports AVX to really meet the F@H deadlines). So I would like to use this P4 PC for World Community Grind projects rather then leave it to gather dust. |
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ThreadRipper
Veteran Cruncher Sweden Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Post Count: 1321 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I looked at the specs for both the 2990WX and 2700X and the 2990wx rates about twice that of the 2700x (on paper) but you say your most efficient system is the 2700x so how is that? The 2990wx should be a monster. Maybe I'm not doing the proper research when I look for stuff. I tend to just concentrate on CPU since WCG is all CPU bound. My WCG machines do nothing else. First of all, sorry for a delayed response. Apparently I had no Watch set up for this thread. The 2700X is more efficient since it runs at 4.075GHz all-core, while my 2990WX runs 3.55GHz all-core. The absolute output is lower still on the 2700X, but I'm getting more output per core so to speak. Of course, I am running air cooling. If I had water-cooled my 2990WX then I would have been able to increase its clocks. But I like the reliability in 24/7 crunching when using air coolers with multiple fans. Also, buying two 2700X systems might be cheaper than one 2990WX and you would get same output or so as the 2990WX with half the threads. ![]() Join The International Team: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=CK9RP1BKX1 AMD TR2990WX @ PBO, 64GB Quad 3200MHz 14-17-17-17-1T, RX6900XT @ Stock AMD 3800X @ PBO AMD 2700X @ 4GHz |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3295 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hello I am a new participant at this project and I found an old Pentium 4 Northwood 2.66GHz PC in my storage room. I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and replaced the processor fan that was rather noisy with a Artic Cooling F8 fan. Would this PC be powerful enough for World Community Grind continuous usage? I worked on few units on it during the past days and it takes between 5 and 8 hours to solve a unit. According to the Wattmeter, the PC eats up to 120W. While it may be solve the units in time, does it have enough processing power to be important to the project? I also participate in Folding@Home with some video cards but the above mentioned P4 system is too weak even for CPU folding (you need a processor that supports AVX to really meet the F@H deadlines). So I would like to use this P4 PC for World Community Grind projects rather then leave it to gather dust. Hello Foxter, Your P4 can run workunits but it's very slow and inefficient. For reference, my Ryzen 1400 (2017 CPU) runs 8 workunits at a time and draws around 80 watts. An MCM workunit these days is taking around 2.5 hours. Obviously the Ryzen is much more recent but goes to show how inefficient the P4 is. I personally wouldn't run it as I don't think it's worth it considering the work it does and the power/environmental factor. Of course, it's up to you. EDIT: I should have used another example instead of the Ryzen. My Z3740 (2013 CPU), a tablet CPU, is running MCM workunits with runtimes between 7-9 hours. It runs 4 tasks at a time and draws around 6 watts. AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 3 times, last edit by Falconet at Mar 4, 2021 11:54:47 AM] |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1672 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hi Foxter,
----------------------------------------you should definitively not consider to operate an old P4. It was one of the worst Intel CPU in terms of energy efficiency: you will simply waste a lot of electricity for very very limited results and contribution. I started to contribute to WCG in January 2007 with a P4. I retired it already about 3.5 year later (at Summer end 2010), in particular because of energy consumption and noise: I replace it with a Phenom II x6, still in operation today (waiting for upgrade/replacement with a Ryzen 9). Considering the environmental protection aspects, I can only encourage you to only deploy efficient CPU and machines for contributing to projects like WCG. Happy crunching ! Cheers, Yves |
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Bryn Mawr
Senior Cruncher Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Post Count: 344 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The only caveat to the above two responses is if you would be heating the room containing the P4 anyway the power usage becomes moot and you might as well use the kit you have for a productive reason rather that just burn fuel for heat.
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Foxter
Cruncher Joined: Feb 27, 2021 Post Count: 4 Status: Offline |
Thank you all for your responses.
----------------------------------------It's a Northwood rather than a Prescott aka Preshot so the heat output and the power consumption are not as great as the hottest processors of the P4 generation. I do not use the P4 PC as a space heater so not even that can be considered as a PRO argument. I guess I will have to retire it, the hardware still holds after 17-18 years from the manufacture date but is too outdated to actually be used even for Youtube (Fujitsu Siemens Scenic E600 with Intel 865G chipset video card). It can still be used for browsing websites with K-Meleon and for light office work. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Foxter at Mar 4, 2021 2:32:00 PM] |
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Sgt.Joe
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It can still be used for browsing websites with K-Meleon and for light office work. I still have an old P4 which I still use occasionally. It has an old copy of Wordperfect for DOS which, despite its age, I still like to use. As far as a crunching machine, it would be a complete waste of time and energy. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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Foxter
Cruncher Joined: Feb 27, 2021 Post Count: 4 Status: Offline |
Trying now to use a laptop with a Intel I7-8665U with Turbo Boost disabled (2.1GHz) to keep the temperature under control, the first units were processed in around 5 hours but there were 8 units at the same time compared to 1 at a time on the Pentium 4.
----------------------------------------I guess this is more efficient. ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by Foxter at Mar 6, 2021 7:30:43 PM] |
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