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Re: BOINC not operating on Win 10 as expected

We've had nothing but problems with Boinc regardless of OS. Win 10 running Boinc sounds like a meat grinder. This problem is the same regardless of OS. I periodically activate Boinc to see if the issue has been resolved and always end up shutting it all down again. Then we received a message that unless we continue, our volunteer work records will be deleted. That mindset and the computer problems were never present nor were the issues with Boinc until it was all turned over to USC or wherever it all went after Berkley or Stanford. Now it's back with Berkley and the computer issues still have not been resolved. And yes, even on the ramped up Win 10 game computer that has no issues whatsoever and above standard components, along comes Boinc and even it sounds like a meat grinder. Fix Boinc.
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Re: BOINC not operating on Win 10 as expected

Never had any real problems running Boinc, neither on Linux nor on Windows 7 or 10.

Bethwells, if you describe what problems there are, maybe somebody can help. What kind of computer are you running and what specific problems are there? "sounds like a meat grinder" sounds like you run it on a laptop and the fan runs at high volume to keep it from overheating?

The message about deleting volunteer work records probably had something to do with european GDPR? If so, I guess that is not WCG's fault, as they have to comply with regulations.
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Re: BOINC not operating on Win 10 as expected

We've had nothing but problems with Boinc regardless of OS. Win 10 running Boinc sounds like a meat grinder. This problem is the same regardless of OS. I periodically activate Boinc to see if the issue has been resolved and always end up shutting it all down again. Then we received a message that unless we continue, our volunteer work records will be deleted. That mindset and the computer problems were never present nor were the issues with Boinc until it was all turned over to USC or wherever it all went after Berkley or Stanford. Now it's back with Berkley and the computer issues still have not been resolved. And yes, even on the ramped up Win 10 game computer that has no issues whatsoever and above standard components, along comes Boinc and even it sounds like a meat grinder. Fix Boinc.

As the previous poster has noted, unless you can up with a specific issue or issues affecting your machines, it will be hard to help with your problems. For instance, the sounds you are hearing, are they from the fans, or from the hard drive. Noise as you describe would possibly mean your hard drive is about to die. Who was the entity that sent you the message about deleting your work records ? Can you be specific about any of the other problems you are encountering ? There are plenty of people who are willing to assist you in solving your issues.
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We've had nothing but problems with Boinc regardless of OS. Win 10 running Boinc sounds like a meat grinder. This problem is the same regardless of OS.
This is a little confusing. You specifically mention that a Win10 device running BOINC "sounds like a meat grinder." But then you mention twice that this problem manifests itself regardless of OS. Also, can you be more specific with regard to "meat grinder"? As far as I know, BOINC does not have sound effects, so you must be describing some offputting noise coming from your device. Without specific details, all anyone can do is speculate or assume you're talking about some kind of CPU or case fan. Need more details.

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I periodically activate Boinc to see if the issue has been resolved and always end up shutting it all down again. Then we received a message that unless we continue, our volunteer work records will be deleted.
Never heard of this.

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That mindset and the computer problems were never present nor were the issues with Boinc until it was all turned over to USC or wherever it all went after Berkley or Stanford. Now it's back with Berkley and the computer issues still have not been resolved.
Maybe you've followed more closely than I have, but as far as I know, BOINC has always remained with UC Berkeley since its inception. "Computer issues have not been resolved" is awfully non-specific. Please give more details if you expect anyone to come close to addressing your concern.

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And yes, even on the ramped up Win 10 game computer that has no issues whatsoever and above standard components, along comes Boinc and even it sounds like a meat grinder.
Again, no clue what you mean by "meat grinder," but you seem to be experiencing this on multiple devices. Need more details on what you are describing.

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Fix Boinc.
BOINC's GitHub repository is fairly active. Feel free to submit an issue so developers can fix it. IBM/World Community Grid contributes upstream to BOINC but full responsibility for development belongs to BOINC volunteers, not IBM/WCG. The WCG forum isn't the most direct way to get BOINC bug fixes addressed.



All this said, if I had to read between the lines and speculate what you mean, it seems like you're describing horrific sounds with CPU and/or case fan(s) whenever CPU utilization ramps up, say to 100%. If that's true, then this should manifest itself with Prime95, Folding@home, video encoding, benchmarking, stress testing, or anything that causes CPU utilization and temperature to rise. If that's the case, then you may want to look into addressing root cause. Is it dust clogging up fans perhaps? Is it entry level fans that are failing/dying and making loud, terrible noises? I have some cheap 80mm server fans that came with a Rosewill 2U case that made TERRIBLE sounds as they've reached end of life, and I've removed power to them so they don't catch on fire or wake the dead with their terrible sounds.

Bottom line: 1) Please give more specific details so people can help you. 2) If fan failure is root cause, replace any fans that are causing the "meat grinder" noises.
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Re: BOINC not operating on Win 10 as expected

We have used more than Win 10 OS in an attempt to resolve the Boinc problem and it's always the same -- fan sounds like a meat grinder. This was never a problem until the big switch over between universities. These are Hp PCs and they are serviced by professionals who state "don't use boinc, delete it". The sides had to be removed for cooling purposes. I don't mind donating time on our computer bank unless it becomes a problem for us and Boinc certainly has. Even setting aside two computers specifically for Boinc and installing other OS does not work well. Sorry, but it's become a problem.
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Re: BOINC not operating on Win 10 as expected

We have used more than Win 10 OS in an attempt to resolve the Boinc problem and it's always the same -- fan sounds like a meat grinder. This was never a problem until the big switch over between universities. These are Hp PCs and they are serviced by professionals who state "don't use boinc, delete it". The sides had to be removed for cooling purposes. I don't mind donating time on our computer bank unless it becomes a problem for us and Boinc certainly has. Even setting aside two computers specifically for Boinc and installing other OS does not work well. Sorry, but it's become a problem.

OK, you have identified the fan(s) as being the problem. You probably have BOINC running at 100% on all processors which does generate heat. Undoubtedly the fans are then running pretty much full tilt. If they are not built to run full speed for any length of time without making an undue racket, I suspect they are faulty/worn out. (It may also be due to the design of the airflow through the system causing too much turbulence and thus causing undue vibration in the fan blades. Perhaps altering the air flow to be more laminar would correct this.)
The only reason I can think of for the "professionals" to give you the advice they did is they are either incompetent or too lazy to find and fix the problems you are experiencing.
However, all this being said, you are the one donating your time, money, and resources in a volunteer effort. If it is in your best interest to not have your machines running BOINC, then yes, delete it. At least you tried and it did not work out for you. That is more effort than many people do. Good luck.
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We have used more than Win 10 OS in an attempt to resolve the Boinc problem and it's always the same -- fan sounds like a meat grinder.
Thanks for being more specific and saying it's a fan making the noise. But can you be even more specific? Is it a case fan? A CPU fan? Either way, this still doesn't identify root cause. Is the fan(s) in question clogged with dust? If so, sometimes a good cleaning makes any terrible fan noises go completely away. Is the fan(s) in question a cheap quality fan? If so, replacing with a good quality fan will give better airflow, lower temperature, and lower noise.

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This was never a problem until the big switch over between universities.
As said before, I don't believe BOINC development or "ownership" (at least as far as open source goes) has ever left UC Berkeley. That said, none of this has anything to do with the root cause of the fan problem you are describing. As I said, dollars to doughnuts you would experience the exact same problems if you ran any application that cranks the CPU up to 100%, whether that's video encoding, code compiling, Folding@home, or GIMPS Prime95.

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These are Hp PCs and they are serviced by professionals who state "don't use boinc, delete it". The sides had to be removed for cooling purposes.
Whoever said that is incompetent and/or lazy. I agree with Sgt. Joe.

Incidentally, I have an old HP 17" laptop whose only fan sounds like a meat grinder, and the laptop shuts down (thermal failure) when the fan completely seizes to spin. It's my opinion that many consumer-grade and some of the lower HP business-grade laptops and desktops are built poorly with cheap components -- such as fans -- that aren't built to last many years.

I bet if you replaced any fans that are crapping out that your problem would go away. And there's nothing stopping you from running BOINC/WCG at 50% load instead of 100%.

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I don't mind donating time on our computer bank unless it becomes a problem for us and Boinc certainly has. Even setting aside two computers specifically for Boinc and installing other OS does not work well. Sorry, but it's become a problem.

Installing another OS doesn't make any sense since it doesn't address root cause: fan failure. Either clean out the fans if they're clogged with dust or replace them with new ball bearing fans. Problem solved. Instead of blaming an application, maybe directly address root cause. HP just uses cheap fans that don't last long.
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I did not post to be the target of spew claiming our team of computer experts are somehow ignorant, or the claim that our "fans are old". Neither is true. These pcs cost more than I doubt any of you understand. The Boinc application is a problem and it is not a situation where spew is welcome.
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Re: BOINC not operating on Win 10 as expected

Beth, whatever you think about the people here, they ARE trying to help you.

A simple way to check whether it is BOINC that is the problem or not is to run some other software on one of your noisier machines that takes every CPU thread it has up to 100% utilisation for many, many minutes. Personally I cannot believe that that will not produce exactly the same noise. The purpose of BOINC is NOT to play tunes on your fans!

An alternative, and something that would at least allow your machines to contribute something to WCG, would be to allow BOINC to run at a lower utilisation. Start low and work up if the fans are still quiet.

Please, try at least one of these before you think too badly of those trying to help.

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With at least 500,000 computers running BOINC world-wide, I seriously doubt that there is a problem with BOINC. It definitely would have come up in the BOINC support forums or the project forums if BOINC was the root cause of fan noise. I've been running 3 years on a $500 toshiba laptop without a single problem. If this is an off-the-shelf system, the manufacture probably didn't build the cooling components to run 24 x 7 x 365 with the CPU at 100%. I have 2 servers right now running BOINC. One server "howls" when the fans start running close to full speed. The other server right next to it doesn't make a sound. If BOINC was the cause they both would be "howling". What's that old saying..."Correlation is not causation...". I have to agree with the other posters, the problem is most likely due to the fans running at full speed due to the processors running 100%. As a test, I would uninstall BOINC. Join Folding@Home and run their processes and see if the noise returns. I suspect it will and that will eliminate BOINC as the cause.

Additional thought and clarification: BOINC, itself doesn't really do much. It is just a coordinator that asks for work, returns results, and reports completion etc. If you were to look at the running processes when the system is making noise, I would suspect BOINC is nowhere near the top of CPU Utilization list. It's the sciences that are using the CPU not BOINC.
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