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OldChap
Veteran Cruncher UK Joined: Jun 5, 2009 Post Count: 978 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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windows 7 only average over 10 days 97,000 wcg ppd
----------------------------------------Mint 19 VM on Win 7 host average was 113,000 and on mint 19 only average was 178,000 All on essentially the same hardware The first two sets on same rig 2x E5-2650, Asus MB, 24GB, ssd Third set Supermicro MB, 2x E5-2650, 16GB, ssd All while running Zika  |
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Former Member
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I used to use a Windows 10 LTSB 2016 to complete assignments...
---------------------------------------- This is the time I used... And I heard that Linux runs assignment faster... Then I tried Debian 9(No gui during installation) on VMware Workstation 14:  ...Really? Just switching to linux makes it THAT fast?  Unbelievable [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Dec 25, 2018 12:15:08 AM] |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1671 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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...Really? Just switching to linux makes it THAT fast? Unbelievable Welcome to the nice and great IT world  Since the beginning of Windows (NT and higher), it is well known that this OS is particularly inefficient and that it wastes memory resources. Since many years, I advocate for the deployment of "energy efficiency labels" for Operating Systems and IT services (e.g. cloud services) considering the complete system/device/application life cycle. Environmental protection is not only for cars, fridges, houses (insulation). There is no valid reason to keep alive the Windows environment. Merry Christmas, Yves --- PS: By the way, Android respectively poorly developed applications are the next serious candidates for wasting resources. |
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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1265 Status: Recently Active Project Badges: 
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How many work units do you process at a time, how much of RAM do you allow & are you still able to use Windows while VMware is running? Recently I have noticed the odd task running under an hour on windows
----------------------------------------SCC1_ 0003275_ RelA-B_ 23276_ 0-- Valid 12/26/18 21:21:41 12/27/18 02:04:31 0.89 / 0.91 26.2 / 26.2 SCC1_ 0003276_ RelA-B_ 91678_ 0-- Valid 12/26/18 21:21:41 12/27/18 02:10:44 0.92 / 0.95 26.8 / 26.8 SCC1_ 0003275_ RelA-B_ 23273_ 0-- Valid 12/26/18 21:21:41 12/27/18 02:04:31 1.02 / 1.04 30.0 / 30.0  |
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Former Member
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I used to use a Windows 10 LTSB 2016 to complete assignments... And I heard that Linux runs assignment faster... Then I tried Debian 9(No gui during installation) on VMware Workstation 14 ...Really? Just switching to linux makes it THAT fast? Unbelievable Oh... Maybe I forgot to consider the difference on WU , all I got on Linux is RelA-* and all I got on Windows is Lin-ZNF-F... Though linux runs WUs faster than Win is the truth. |
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wolfman1360
Senior Cruncher Canada Joined: Jan 17, 2016 Post Count: 176 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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...Really? Just switching to linux makes it THAT fast? Unbelievable Welcome to the nice and great IT world Since the beginning of Windows (NT and higher), it is well known that this OS is particularly inefficient and that it wastes memory resources. Since many years, I advocate for the deployment of "energy efficiency labels" for Operating Systems and IT services (e.g. cloud services) considering the complete system/device/application life cycle. Environmental protection is not only for cars, fridges, houses (insulation). There is no valid reason to keep alive the Windows environment. Merry Christmas, Yves --- PS: By the way, Android respectively poorly developed applications are the next serious candidates for wasting resources. I'm sorry, but I just had to respond to this. I'm nearly a year late but this statement in particular caught my attention, and I very much, though very respectfully, disagree with it. Edit: this did turn into a longer post than intended. Apologies. 'There is no valid reason to keep alive the Windows environment.' There are plenty of reasons, a glaring one which I will outline below. What people fail to realize, and take for granted, is some of the core features Windows offers to those with a disability. In particular, screen readers. Linux has orca. Unfortunately, if you're outside of the terminal (and frankly, I do not want to write lines of code just to make the simplest things work when I get home- I do that for my day job) orca is useless. It works with most things built into Linux e.g. firefox, settings - but install any other gui program outside of that (boinc, for instance) and good luck reading and navigating within the environment. This is, of course, because it is open source and as a minority operating system and even further a minority use case. It has, for the most part, gone unmaintained due to lack of interest, at least to my knowledge. I could very much be wrong and would love to be. Linux is absolutely fantastic about uptime and efficiency, however, and I have a few machines running it exclusively (for boinc use only as I can remotely connect through Windows). Not sure why more workplaces are not using it. It is so very customizable if you know how to take advantage of it and it is far and wide an operating system you are in complete control of, again, if you know what you are doing. The basics are easy enough to get and, once you learn those, delving deeper is fairly simple as well. But as a daily driver, for me, it just is not and will never be the operating system of choice. For that matter there are other projects that Windows has the slight advantage in, from what I remember - though not as much as Linux has in SCC, OET, etc. With that being said. Has anyone tried the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 for Boinc use? I'd think since it is still running within windows the increase may not be as noticeable - if there is one at all - but I may give it a shot out of curiosity if nobody else has. Just my two cents!
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1671 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Wolfman1360,
----------------------------------------indeed the use case you mention is critical for some users and especially for you. Since I don't have any experience and feedback in this particular usage area, I cannot explain why such support is less effective for Linux-based systems than for Windows-based systems. My statement - regardless of the mentioned use case - is related to resources efficiency. Since decades, I struggle with people stating that we have to do more for protecting the natural resources - what is completely correct - but relying on inefficient IT solutions only. Unluckily, Windows is not the only one wasting the resources. At the other side, it would be a real major improvement if Microsoft would start to redesign Windows for efficiency instead of for marketing. Cheers, Yves |
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Tamagoch
Cruncher Ukraine Joined: Jul 21, 2007 Post Count: 31 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm running VMware Linux Mint on both Win7 machines and it is really faster for SCC and Zika but there's a major struggle within this config - it is GPU computing ( I'm losing 95% of GPU performance running all CPU cores under VM and freeing even 2 of them doesn't resolve the issue in full... so I need more testing and precise setup to figure this out and get the maximum load for all projects
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