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Thread: World Community Grid verified BOINC version 7.14.2 released |
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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wow, I got suckered into installing WCG app, not realizing it would nuke BOINC. WTF? Maybe I'll reinstall BOINC, and delete WCG from my MAC and my BOINC project list. I just made silver, whatever. But I do NOT like being fooled. BAD MOVE WCG They are the same app with different branding on it. There was no intent to "sucker" anyone. To be honest, I have no opinion about whether you run the WCG branded version or the stock BOINC version - they both do the same thing. Additionally, our team has made significant contributions to the BOINC project (in fact I'm the current chair of the BOINC project management committee) so supporting BOINC is a key part of the work we do. Can you explain where you feel that we mis-represented things that leads you to feel suckered? Note that if the WCG version and the BOINC version could be simulatenously installed, it would create issues because they would both run and not be aware of the other one running which would lead to lots of problems. As a result, we test to make sure that the BOINC version will uninstall the WCG version when it is installed and vice versa. We've done this all in collaboration with the rest of the BOINC community and helped make sure that other branded installed like the Grid Republic and Charity Engine installers can use all the same things that we have done (and yes - the Grid Republic and Charity engine versions will uninstall the WCG and BONIC versions if found as well). |
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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b)figuring out how to get WCG/BOINC to run on the billions (literally) of iOS devices (even though they would crunch relatively slow compared to average consumer CPUs of One of the issues with iOS is that the app store review guidelines from section 2.4.5: (iv) They may not download or install standalone apps, kexts, additional code, or resources to add functionality or significantly change the app from what we see during the review process. .... (vii) They must use the Mac App Store to distribute updates; other update mechanisms are not allowed. These two clauses fundementally work against the way that BOINC was built and designed. The app store guidelines would require that the research applications be pre-packaged with the BOINC app. This would be a significant hassle if just WCG were to bundle the current version of its apps with the BOINC application. It would be impossible to include all the apps from all the BOINC projects. It is largely due to this issue that none of the BOINC project nor BOINC developers have invested in the platform. If Apple were to change their guidelines, I believe that there would be interest. |
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sunk818
Advanced Cruncher Joined: May 10, 2018 Post Count: 66 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I went from 7.10.2 to 7.14.2 (Windows 10 64 bit). It is stuck at connecting to localhost and none of my tasks appear. I re-installed 7.10.2 and everything came back.
Can someone help me figure out why 7.14.2 doesn't work for me? |
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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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While mobile phone CPUs are most certainly impressive, they are designed with power saving in mind and conversely desktops are more about productivity as they can afford to consume power at higher rate and thusly are more tolerant with heat that they produce as wasted energy. Controversially, desktop CPUs are far more likely to have Hyper Threading which gives a small boost. I agree on CPU vs. CPU performance. But then there is mass adoption and ease of use. WCG has been running for 10 or so years yet only has 700,000 contributors. I have no idea why the adoption is so small even after 10 years but it feels like the vast majority of folks who run WCG are hardcore techies. There is also quite a bit to be desired on the UI of BOINC and the setup is not super simple for your average non-techie person...especially compared to how simple 100% of the mobile apps are to install and configure. On a side note, an iPhone draws 10 watts while a desktop (running medium to full steam) draws 60-100 watts. I don't think anybody is asking the iPhone CPU to match a Xeon or i7 chip but even if the latest iPhone is only 30% as fast as the latest i7 chip, if you have 3x as many iPhones as desktops it all equals out WU wise...and people would be saving 50%+ on energy costs. iOS Smartphone and Tablet use has been exploding each Quarter for almost 10 years and BOINC has done nothing to welcome these 2 huge platforms of technology. I know countless people who had a desktop/laptop and have replaced it with an iPad because the desktop/laptop was overkill for their email/web surfing/picture needs. I have so many friends and relatives who once ran BOINC but now no longer do because they simply don't have that desktop/laptop anymore. It really bums me out. I think paying a few developers to port or create a new BOINC/WCG app for iOS is definitely worth the gains from a project point of view. As I mentioned, .05% of 2 billion devices would yield another 1 million devices which is 25% of the entire WCG device population right now. If it were 1% of 2 billion that would be 20 million devices which would be a 500% increase in WCG devices. I think those very-low-percentages of increased devices is worth the development and development costs. I feel like we're living in the mid years of DVD and the company wants to just keep on churning out VHS tapes.  |
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ericinboston
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...These two clauses fundementally work against the way that BOINC was built and designed. The app store guidelines would require that the research applications be pre-packaged with the BOINC app. This would be a significant hassle if just WCG were to bundle the current version of its apps with the BOINC application. It would be impossible to include all the apps from all the BOINC projects. It is largely due to this issue that none of the BOINC project nor BOINC developers have invested in the platform. If Apple were to change their guidelines, I believe that there would be interest. Very interesting...I didn't know this (and I just wrote a long reply!). Well, I guess BOINC still needs to figure out how to change with the times. Clearly the average person is moving off traditional desktops/laptops so BOINC is either going to have to petition Apple for change or change BOINC to comply. If not, BOINC is just going to quickly become a pet project for techies when it really should be open to the entire population. I am trying that Dreamlab app today on a few iPads and iPhones. I have to say, it's EXTREMELY simple to set up, I can easily push it to all my iOS devices, and it only runs when plugged into the power outlet. |
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Johnny Cool
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Perhaps GPU work is coming soon. We hope.
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I went from 7.10.2 to 7.14.2 (Windows 10 64 bit). It is stuck at connecting to localhost and none of my tasks appear. I re-installed 7.10.2 and everything came back. Can someone help me figure out why 7.14.2 doesn't work for me? Can you do the following if you are willing?
This gets us into a known state. If you have the issue again, then look in C:/ProgramData/BOINC and send the files stderrdae.txt and stdoutdae.txt to support@worldcommunitygrid.org and reference this forum thread. Thanks and sorry for your issues! |
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upupa
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I discovered yesterday that the BOINC Manager also was upgraded to the same exact version number as WGC.
So I uninstalled WCG, rebooted, installed BOINC, and voilá - all BOINC projects and tasks appeared again, in the same running state as before, all good. Why we feel suckered? Well, as far as I can recall, there has been no message about a new BOINC version, only WGC, which to me seems to be just a limited version of the BOINC Mngr, right? As a minimum, you should at least warn BOINC users that the WCG software does not run other BOINC projects! |
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Former Member
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I was told to update "your" software, I was not told that I'd be left with a non-functional BOINC. If they are the same, why was I told to update? If they're not the same, why is yours better? Why can't you just run under BOINC like your have been for years? Bottom line, you didn't tell me (in the email) that you were replacing BOINC. That's deceptive in my book.
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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as far as I can recall, there has been no message about a new BOINC version BOINC announced the new version last week at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/ See the first item under "news". only WGC, which to me seems to be just a limited version of the BOINC Mngr, right? No it is not a limited manager. It does the exact same things as the version downloaded from the BOINC website. If you switch from a WCG version to a BOINC version or a BOINC version to a WCG version it should* continue running and contributing to whatever other projects you were perviously running. As a minimum, you should at least warn BOINC users that the WCG software does not run other BOINC projects! The WCG version of the BOINC client does not limit contribution to other BOINC projects. * Note that I am using the word "should' here. If there is a bug and this isn't happening correctly we want to know and fix. But the intent of it and during testing it showed that this worked as it designed. I definitely acknowledge that the situations the software encounters "in the wild" exceeds our test coverage. [Edit 1 times, last edit by knreed at Oct 23, 2018 8:12:11 PM] |
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