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Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping Help Stop TB, OpenZika, and Microbiome Immunity Project from running and putting them in Waiting Run Status only to allow them to run?

Also any way to remove the Reset Button on the Fourm
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping Help Stop TB, OpenZika, and Microbiome Immunity Project from running and putting them in Waiting Run Status only to allow them to run?

Also any way to remove the Reset Button on the Fourm

The reason the Fight Aids at Home Phase 2 halts the other projects is the much shorter 24 hour deadline for the FAAH2 units. This causes them to temporarily pre-empt the existing units until they reach a similar or shorter deadline. It is a project which is best done by itself and probably best done on systems which run 24/7 or close to at least 16 to 20 hours per day. In addition, the use of a small cache setting is recommended, in my opinion. If it really causes you a problem, I would de-select this project.
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping Help Stop TB, OpenZika, and Microbiome Immunity Project from running and putting them in Waiting Run Status only to allow them to run?

Because the deadline for FAH2 WUs is just 24 hours. The others are generally ten days. BOINC will endeavour to ensure that WUs meet their deadline, so to do that it suspends execution of other WUs with a longer deadline, and runs the short deadline ones instead.

Why is the deadline so short? Because the techs and the scientists want it that way. If you don't like it, don't run them.

[I don't understand the other question. Maybe someone else can answer.]
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

It's a simple matter of the FAAH2 techs deciding that their project should jump the queue and manipulating BOINC to prioritize their tasks higher than all other projects. In high frequency trading regulation, we have many common names for this. Unfortunately, this system is unregulated and now prone to abuse. If a FAAH2 task causes another project's task to be suspended, I immediately abort it. Quite frankly, its sad to see techs take advantage of this functionality in a charitable system such as this. In sum, pursuant to my personal procedures, I simply don't allow it.
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

Most of the sub-projects at WCG are discreet independent work units which answer a small independent question – usually does this small chemical molecule fit into and bind to a specific active site on a much larger molecule (usually a protein involved in a disease) and block its biological function.
FAH2 is different – the output of one small step of the process is used as input to the next small step. From memory the number of small consecutive steps required for one overall calculation is of the order of 1,000,000 or more.
When FAH2 was first introduced to WCG it had work units containing 100,000 small steps, had a duration of 10 to 15 hours on a fast machine with a standard deadline of 10 days. A sequence of 10 to 15 work units was required to complete one overall calculation i.e. anything up to 150 days! As the work units took a long time, a ‘trickle up’ mechanism was used which reported progress every 10,000 small steps. Progress was monitored by the server and if it was not fast enough to meet the deadline, the work unit was aborted with credit given for the work already done. This process was not always liked by the volunteers. There were also problems with the ‘trickle up’ mechanism which depended on continual access to the internet as the trickle results had to arrive in the correct order. This caused problems for those computers with intermittent access or after a longish scheduled maintenance slot at WCG.
When FAH2 was re-introduced, the ‘trickle up’ mechanism was abandoned in favour of smaller work units containing 10,000 or 50,000 small steps. The break between the shorter and longer work units is at batch 1770. In order to complete one overall calculation in a time agreeable between WCG and the scientists a 1 day deadline has been implemented which forces BOINC into its earliest deadline first mode from the normal first in first out mode. Even so in my BoincTasks History I found a long work unit of 50,000 small steps in its 40th iteration i.e. 2,000,000 small steps taking about 40 days so far! With the standard 10 day deadline this would not be practical.
I hope this gives some background to this project.
I run this as my only sub-project but restrict it to use only a maximum of 6 of my 8 threads. I also have ‘send other work if none is available for selected projects’. I use a 0.5 day buffer so most ‘other’ work is completed within 2 days.
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

I hope this gives some background to this project.
Indeed, it does.
Excellent explanation, easy to understand.

Thank you, ca05065 rose

EDIT: I wrote your name wrong, ca05065 blushing - sorry about that.
Corrected it blushing
EDIT II: Missed the 'a' in about blushing - not my keyboad's day today either ...
EDIT III: 'keyboad's should of course be 'keyboard's'
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

I have all projects selected and haven't done any sort of configuration - if the tasks go up late, they go up late. AFAIK the FAQ says that if you send within 7 days of the deadline that it will still give you points. No need for such short timeframe.
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

They might give you points, but the tasks will have already been given to another user to crunch as a reissue.
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Re: Why is it FightAIDS/FightAIDS@Home Phase 2 stopping other Apps from running

No, one I submitted 45 minutes late was reported as valid, others accepted too.
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No, one I submitted 45 minutes late was reported as valid, others accepted too.

They might give you points, but the tasks will have already been given to another user to crunch as a reissue.

You are both on the right track. If a work unit is submitted late it will still be marked valid and not as "too late" even though another work unit has been submitted when the task deadline passed. That new unit will be "server aborted" when the late work unit is submitted before the new unit is completed. If the new unit is completed and submitted before the late unit is submitted the late unit will be marked as "too late" and there will be no credit. Hope this helps to explain a little bit about the "grace period" after the expiration date of the work unit. If the new unit is submitted to a fast machine with a small queue, that period may be as short as an hour or two, while if it is submitted to a slower machine with a bigger queue, it may take a couple of days.
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