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Byteball_730a2960
Senior Cruncher Joined: Oct 29, 2010 Post Count: 318 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hey all,
Some advice if you don't mind. My main home computer runs windows 7 and dual Xeon 2680 V3 chips, which have served me well for a few years now. I am quite close to picking up some V4 chips and replacing the 2680s which should give me quite a boost in crunching. The plan is to eventually strip that rig down and turn it into a dedicated headless cruncher running linux to give me another boost. Then I want to build a single CPU system as my main home computer running windows 10 (or perhaps 7 depending on the licence cost). My question though is what to build. I will have the dual 2680 V3's lying around and will sell one or both of them. Would I be better off A) Selling one, and building a home computer using a workstation motherboard and ECC ram? B) Selling both and building a more consumer orientated build using either an i7 or Ryzen? Apart from crunching, the only intense things I do are watch movies and browse the internet although I may have a lot of tabs open. I don't game or do any image/video processing. |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If what you want is a consumer grade machine, I would go to option B. I would also find/use one of the newest cpus as they are more electrically efficient than the older ones. More bang for the buck so to speak. It is hard to beat the reliability of the Xeons.
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wolfman1360
Senior Cruncher Canada Joined: Jan 17, 2016 Post Count: 176 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ryzen at the moment seems to be offering pretty solid bang for your buck. 8 cores and 16 threads and snappy performance to boot at 65 w TDP. Or 95 if you step it up to the x series...
----------------------------------------I have a Xeon 1620V2 on a dedicated server that has been crunching for a while now. Very solid too though 130W and it does like to use pretty close to 100 full time while crunching, so if electric bill is the concern...
Crunching for the betterment of human kind and the canines who will always be our best friends.
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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Check out the other thread here I just started regarding the Lenovo small desktops that have the i7-7700T chip at a ridiculous sale price for the next few days.
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Hype
Cruncher Germany Joined: Nov 18, 2011 Post Count: 43 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I am also in the process of building a new cruncher.
----------------------------------------For the last three years I had a very reliable E3-1245 v2 running, but now I need a bit more power ;-) In the last couple days I set up an Excel calculator and calculated around 15 different configurations. Cheap used components, new consumer CPUs, up to dual Xeon rigs with 72 threads. Nothing beats the Ryzen 7 1700X. It's just the best bang for your buck. I calculated electricity costs for 3 years and the purchase cost. I could get something like a used E5-1650 for a good price which gives me more WCG points per € spent, but calculating with 3 years the 1700X is just way more efficient. One part of my mind wants to build a crazy dual Xeon rig, the other one wants to get the most efficient machine :-) ![]() |
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Former Member
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I went with the 1700 over the X. Unless you plan on overclocking, which I don't, I have heard the x is better in that respect. But the 1700 TDP is only 65w, vs the 95w of the x, and you are only losing 400MHz.
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Hype
Cruncher Germany Joined: Nov 18, 2011 Post Count: 43 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Yes, that's correct.
----------------------------------------I calculated the 1700 and it's even more efficient. You get a little fewer points but save quite some electricity costs. People sell Xeons with 10 cores for 500€, but the 1700 has just 2 cores less, higher clock and is just 290€ :-O Unfortunately it's hard to calculate the electricity cost correctly because you can't know in advance how much the wattage will be in your setup. TDP doesn't help. My E3-1245 v2 is undervolted to 0,95v @ 3,6 Ghz and the whole system draws only 55w under full load. Reading several tests the 1700 could be at 70w and the 1700X at 100w. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
This might surprise a few people, what would I recommend for an efficient build? Ryzen 5!
----------------------------------------It's no secret that I've been through a torturous year with a Ryzen 7, many new sweary words were learnt along the way as I swapped item after item, someone eventually suggested the chip might be the problem - nah they just work or they don't work - hoooonk - wrong, very wrong, eventually I marched up to the retailer that I bought it from in Angry mode and asked them to look at it, they tested it and said - it's fine and after much barely contained rage they agreed to send it to AMD and as a sign of good faith (probably to get me out of there) they lent me a Ryzen 5 1600, took it home slotted it into my system and boom - perfect, runs at 3.85Ghz like a champ all day long and chucks out about 100k points a day - and yes thats a lot more than my beloved 3930k's. Much to AMD's credit they got in contact to ask me what I was using it for and they said fine we'll stress test it heavily, guess what they ended up sending me a new one because my original one was faulty. But the 5 is the absolute bargain of the century, it's sat in an Asus 250 motherboard (dirt cheap) the chip itself was (dirt cheap), the whole system is pulling just over 100watts and pushing out stratospheric numbers using ubuntu. The only overkill component is a Samsung 250Gb NVMe SSD but that's probably contributing very little. When I rang said retailer to buy the Ryzen 5 because I wanted to keep it they said forget it, you've had a load of grief, have it on us. The Ryzen 7 is also behaving impecably, right now it's at 3.9Ghz and sitting at 47.75ºC, unfortunately it's hampered by Windows 10 so I don't know how much it could do under Ubuntu. When my favourite MMO shuts down I'll have no reason to not put Ubuntu on it then ![]() So in the space of a fortnight i've gone from loving Intel to lusting for Threadripper,but my wife would relieve me of certain parts of my anatomy, just need to get her out of the house for a few days.............. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Dec 1, 2017 8:41:18 PM] |
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Former Member
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Wow, they let you keep the 1600? Sounds like they treated you very well. Glad you got the 1700 sorted out as well.
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Don't know what your preferences are. But I'm going to get myself a used Workstation, which come cheaper than top of the class computer. & upgrade them to highest spec within a year.
----------------------------------------All together cost of a newest grade computer. But much more stable & much more heavy weight for crunching. ;) |
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