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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
This utterly amazing story gives the Rosetta project incredible significance.
Wow!!! http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,68962,00.html?tw=rss.TOP |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Wow indeed. I particularly 'enjoyed' reading about the "severed spinal column" and the "poked eye".
Sorry Julie, I do not support testing on animals - and I don't think genetic engineering is too clever either. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Wow indeed. I particularly 'enjoyed' reading about the "severed spinal column" and the "poked eye". Sorry Julie, I do not support testing on animals - and I don't think genetic engineering is too clever either. Come on now, Vaio. Of course I am into maiming defenseless creatures (that's why I own 2 dogs); inflicting pain and suffering on others (that's why I continue to post here). And, yes, Mendel should have been dipped into a cauldron of boiling oil when he first started messing around with those veggies (we should have seen it coming). There are many things that I find distasteful or personally tragic. However, unless there is a specific constructive reason to express them in relation to an immediate and impending event in the physical world, I find it more productive and amicable to restrict my prolesticizing for such occasions. Besides, call it shallow but I will never allow the travesties of my fellow man to detract, even one iota, for my absolute and continual delight in this wonderous universe in which I live. "My glass is neither half full, or half empty. It is completely full; the bottom half with water and the top half with air." (julied, extemporaneous today)  |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hmm, well, a rather short post compared to some that you have written on this forum - no offense meant
 I don't really understand what you're saying unfortunately  Paragraph 1 - you're taking the mick  Paragraph 2 - don't moan unless there's some point? (I assume you mean "proselyting"?) Paragraph 3 - just because bad things are happening it doesn't mean you can't be happy? I would agree with this sentiment; but happy or not doesn't change the fact that bad things *are* happening (and I personally neither like nor agree with them). Paragraph 4 - you're an optimist and a lateral thinker Perhaps you could correct me if I'm wrong BTW by genetic engineering I mean changing your own (or children's) genetic makeup in some way. I think the human (or any other) genome is far too complex for us to mess with it. "If it's not broken, don't fix it". Of course, if it is broken then we should try to remedy that. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Damn, but I do enjoy reading your posts. Of course, you are still completely wrong on every issue about which we disagree.
 My point, Vaio, was that the focus of the article was: "Mice discovered accidentally at the Wistar Institute in Pennsylvania have the seemingly miraculous ability to regenerate like a salamander, and even regrow vital organs. . . . "The results stunned scientists because if such regeneration is possible in this mammal, it might also be possible in humans." While the issues you raise certainly deserve consideration, this was neither the time or the place to do so. Without reasonable focus any discussion inevitably deteriorates into idle rhetoric. Of course you will counter: "How can you not consider the means when evaluating the ends?" To which I would reply: I find the fact that in order for me to live some animal or plant has to die to be somewhat disturbing. That is why I do not reflect upon this fact at meal times. As to genetic engineering, I am afraid that what any of us opines is irrelevant. If man can, he will. It is simply the nature of the beast. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
julied,
I find some of your opinions/attitudes vey contradictory. In one post you state "I will never allow the travesties of my fellow man to detract, even one iota, for my absolute and continual delight in this wonderous universe in which I live" Then in the next you quote "I find the fact that in order for me to live some animal or plant has to die to be somewhat disturbing. That is why I do not reflect upon this fact at meal times" It must be so nice to live in a world where you blame others for the 'bad' things happening in the world while at certain times of the day, 'mealtimes', you can, and do, ignore the 'bad' things you support yourself. We do not need to go along with the unnatural practices of the modern world and the only way we can expect them to change is for more of us to make a stand against them. Apparently you feel that by closing your mind to them to further your enjoyment of eating dead animals then for that period of time they either don't matter or don't happen. Would you still support animal research if the animals we were carrying out the research on were human animals? We are all equal parts of this wonderous universe in which we live. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Darn, but I do enjoy reading your posts. I am flattered Julie Also a little disappointed that you became so excited by my post that you forgot the rules - I have of course censored the quote myself  this was neither the time or the place to do so You are of course correct here so I'll just shut up on the subject - I'm sure we will have many more exchanges in the future. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Darn, but I do enjoy reading your posts. I am flattered Julie Also a little disappointed that you became so excited by my post that you forgot the rules - I have of course censored the quote myself this was neither the time or the place to do so You are of course correct here so I'll just shut up on the subject - I'm sure we will have many more exchanges in the future. To be perfectly honest, Vaio, I really didn't think that the "darn substitute"  was another rule violation.  Although it goes without saying, all things considered, I couldn't agree with you more. So, let's pretend that there is no one else listening (or reading) for a moment. I have "the bug" so bad that my wife has forbidden me to go into the holding area of the Pound. My last forray cost us just over $1K (really!). There was this really adorable, but really sick 8 week old black lab/hound mix. The little guy was puking his guts out. He could barely move, but when I called him over to me, he gamely staggered over to let me pet him. Then he immediately turned around and headed for the comfy hard wood platform; only to start puking again. Well, I knew that this puppy was going to die very soon - one way or another. (They simply put sick dogs down at County facilities). So, me being me, I took the puppy and walked up to the manager. "Roy, I know it is against your rules, but I am taking this puppy from Cage #3 to the Vets. When (and if) he recovers, I will bring him back. You have my word. Of course, I will pay the Vet bill." He just looked at me and said, "You got it, julied. ... Thanks." It seems that the puppy had kennel cough so bad that his intestines were literally "seizing." It took about 2 weeks, but he made it. (The Vet actually gave me a discounted boarding rate). During his stay, I visited him at least once a day, every day (except one). I would sneak him in some peanut butter. Then we would just mess around for about half an hour. Of course, we ended up adopting him as we waited to find just the right home. As it turned out, there was this really great family; who happened to have an 8 year-old boy; you had been begging his parents for a puppy .... |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
julied, I find some of your opinions/attitudes vey contradictory. I should certainly hope so! Life is biological, not conceptually logical. The need to cram experience and observation into a logical package just to appear more credible to other people is a complete waste of time. If someone get's it; they get it. If not; then they don't. In one post you state "I will never allow the travesties of my fellow man to detract, even one iota, for my absolute and continual delight in this wonderous universe in which I live" Then in the next you quote "I find the fact that in order for me to live some animal or plant has to die to be somewhat disturbing. That is why I do not reflect upon this fact at meal times" Where is the inconsistency? I am replying to your post, am I not? The "meal" statement was also meant to be taken "tongue-in-cheek." You really didn't find it just a bit over-the-top? It must be so nice to live in a world where you blame others for the 'bad' things happening in the world while at certain times of the day, 'mealtimes', you can, and do, ignore the 'bad' things you support yourself. "Blame". "Bad things". Frankly, you just lost me here. We do not need to go along with the unnatural practices of the modern world and the only way we can expect them to change is for more of us to make a stand against them. Apparently you feel that by closing your mind to them to further your enjoyment of eating dead animals then for that period of time they either don't matter or don't happen. Would you still support animal research if the animals we were carrying out the research on were human animals? We are all equal parts of this wonderous universe in which we live. The concept of unnatural is an oxymoron. How can anything exist or occur that does not actually exist/occur in the first place? Or put another way, if it exists/occurs, then apriori, it MUST be natural. The universe simply IS. And this is all that there is. The concept of "unnatural" is simply a vestige of primitive concrete thinking which has taken refuge in the safe ambiguity of morality and abstract reasoning. As to changing the world, I am afraid that I am in agreement with Lao Tzu. "The universe is perfect. It can not be improved." |
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GEORGE DOMINIC
Senior Cruncher Joined: Nov 21, 2004 Post Count: 227 Status: Offline |
you can sum up the entire argument with DAMAGE LIMITATION
the universe needs extra fire hydrants the mice could be yeast the beast could do with a better master dogs aint clean killers get it needs education extreme vegitarian is a clinical disease the bomb hasnt gone of round n round we go is a case of Damage limitation |
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