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Byteball_730a2960
Senior Cruncher Joined: Oct 29, 2010 Post Count: 318 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thank you! I may look into that seller
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Former Member
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Hello all,
Thank you all for your advice. I have done some shopping around in Australia for computers that are going to give me the most cores as number of cores seems to be the main message from the advice that has been provided here. I started out really cheap for some testing and bench marking with a Dell 1950 from ebay for $130AU. This machine has two Xeon E5410 CPU's (These are quad core with no HT, so 8 cores) and is currently returning on average 33 results per day for the last 13 days. This equates to approx. 25,000 points a day. I also purchased a power meter and for this machine alone, it consumes approx 350w. I have now ordered a HP Proliant DL380 G7 with two Xeon X5660 CPU's. I will post the results once I have had this machine running for a while. Thanks again to everyone for their advice, It has provided a great deal of help with my contributions to World Community Grid. This help is really appreciated. |
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fuzzydice555
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 25, 2015 Post Count: 89 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Shane!
----------------------------------------If you buy old servers, sooner or later you will see that the cost of electricity will far outweigh the cost of hardware. The following table will be in BOINC points, which is WCG points/7. Xeon L5410 - $20 - 84w - 2678 points/day - 32 points/watt Xeon E3-1265Lv2 - $160 - 68w - 5307 points/day - 78 points/watt Xeon E5-2683v3 - $428 - 152w - 14408 points/day - 95 points/watt Your dual E5410 nets you 3571 BOINC points/day, which means 10 points/watt. This means a modern Xeon is nearly 10 times as efficient as the old 45nm server! I have one of these in a Gigabyte X99 board: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2683-V3...834eda:g:E78AAOxyCepScNeQ If you don't want to use ES CPUs, try finding low power 1155/1150 Xeons, like the E3-1265Lv2. You can use those in normal desktop motherboards and they are pretty efficient. As a rule of thumb, any hyperthreading capable 22nm/14nm Intel CPU should be good. Keep away from the K versions though, my i7-4790K is 45% worse than the E3-1265Lv2. ![]() |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I started out really cheap for some testing and bench marking with a Dell 1950 from ebay for $130AU. This machine has two Xeon E5410 CPU's (These are quad core with no HT, so 8 cores) and is currently returning on average 33 results per day for the last 13 days. This equates to approx. 25,000 points a day. I also purchased a power meter and for this machine alone, it consumes approx 350w. Those machines come with two power supplies (for redundancy purposes.). If you want to lessen the amount of electricity you use, just use one power supply. I have an identical unit and have been running on only one power supply for years with no problem. The other thing you can do is see if you can get a couple of Xeon L54xx chips to replace the E5410's. They use fewer watts. Edit: This unit is currently running all MCM1 and averaging about 4400 BOINC points per day (30800 WCG). If it was running just the Ebola Vina units it would do about twice that in points (running Linux). Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
We have seen quite a few discussions about Points/Watt/Hour etc. My single 3770K, throttled down to 3.2GHz, HT at that, is doing ~33K points under W8.1-64, running OET only [which is the poorest credit paying project there is, and substantially ** https://bit.ly/WCGCPH1 ]. At 3.2GHz the box measures about 85W/Hr on the KW meter. Setting it higher, 3.7GHz constant is sustainable, exponentially increases the power use [and cooling needs... now the fans run below consciousness level].
At an effective price of 37 Eurocents/KW, could not possibly afford to run a 350W/Hr consuming beast. The annual electricity bill would be 1134 Euro... more than what the computer+display cost. ** Don't know what the Android component is at this time... if this borgs the average a lot. |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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There is no question that each succedding generation of chips has become more efficient in terms of work done per watt. I know I spend more on electricity than I would like. However, I try to balance costs versus the benefits of the work being done. That is why I have shut down my most ineffiecient systems.
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Sgt. Joe
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enels
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2008 Post Count: 286 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Interesting numbers fuzzydice555. The Xeons you reported are the most efficient I've seen reported here for a big box. You reported 78 and 95 BOINC cobblestones/day/watts (for the Xeon E3-1265Lv2 and Xeon E5-2683v3 respectively) which is really good. My Android tablet is around 80. My Z3740 is at 160.
----------------------------------------SekeRob* reported 85 watts and about 33000 WCG points for his 3770K. Or (33000/7)/85 = 55 BOINC cobblestones/day/watts. This is typical for Ivy Bridge and also pretty good. Haswell is slightly better at around 60. [Edit 2 times, last edit by enels at Mar 13, 2016 10:40:46 PM] |
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fuzzydice555
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 25, 2015 Post Count: 89 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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All of my rigs are bare minimum hardware (single stick of ram, no video card, single low power fan, 80+ psu). The e3 and e5 are the best chips I tested, for example the i7-4790k only did 50 points/watt. 90% percent of the cpus I tested including sandy, ivy, haswell deliver the same results you've got, 50-60 ppd/w.
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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One other thing I forgot to mention in terms of efficiency is I run one system off of a flash drive. No hard drive. Both the operating system (Linux) and BOINC reside on a 16gb flash drive. So far it has been running for many months 24/7 without a problem.
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Sgt. Joe
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Ok, so i may have gone down the wrong path with the old servers by the sound of it. Thanks for giving me the heads up on the power usage of these servers.
Unfortunately I have already bought these and I will have to use these until I can put some more money together for a more modern cpu like the ones mentioned above. Does anyone know of hand if it possible to get dual socket motherboards for the Xeon E5 2683 (or similar) at a reasonable price? Would this negate any power savings gained by using these CPU's (extra heat and motherboard may use more power than two separate motherboards???). As for the server I have now, I have taken the advice of fuzzydice555 and Sgt.Joe. I have now removed unnecessary hardware (1 psu, two hdd's, two of four sticks of RAM, Optical Drive, and a raid controller) from the Dell 1950. This has bought the power usage down from 350w to 250w. I have reinstalled my OS to a USB stick. Still waiting on the new HP from my previous post and will post some details about this when I get it set up. Thanks again everyone, it is good to have these discussions to get the most we can out of our hardware. |
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