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Glen David Short
Senior Cruncher Joined: Nov 6, 2008 Post Count: 192 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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according to a new study http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151216144831.htm?
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Former Member
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It has been obvious it is not genetics that is causing cancers. I'm kind of surprised that it took a study. More and more people are getting cancer. Lung cancer can be from smoking or for the older population, asbestos or other carcinogenic substances. Look at the food we eat to say 50 years ago.
The majority of fruits and vegetables are laced with pesticides. Then you have all the processed meat we have today. Look at how many sub shops there are and they are all full of processed meats. How about genetically modified foods? I've even hard that microwave popcorn bags have chemicals in them that can cause cancer and this chemical gets released in high heat conditions, like popping popcorn. The oil used in microwave popcorn is usually a GMO too. Our diets have changed considerably, so while we are not being exposed to some carcinogens, we have added many more to the ones we are exposed too and more importantly, digesting them. |
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Chilean
Cruncher Chile Joined: Nov 29, 2004 Post Count: 22 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Isn't simply living longer a cause too?
----------------------------------------Natural selection can't wipe out aging diseases, unfortunately. Now, what about kids that get cancer? I doubt their short life exposure to environmental factors would've resulted in cancer that fast. Everything causes cancer, we know, but so does our relatively awful mechanism of copying DNA. We make a TON of mistakes when copying our own DNA during cell division. BTW, GMO doesn't necessarily mean "harmful". Let alone cancerogenous just because. One should be careful when labeling things. ![]() ![]() |
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branjo
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+11 Chilean
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Former Member
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There are nothing wrong with GMOs.
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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There are nothing wrong with GMOs. yeah, right...that's why US has one of the highest rate of cancer people in % & numbers...even more than Europe: http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/content/@res...document/acspc-044738.pdf http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/what-is-cancer/statistics & again, it's MAYBE not that GMO that's harmful...but those "special pesticides" that kill everything except that culture that are DANGEROUS! ![]() |
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Former Member
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Isn't simply living longer a cause too? Natural selection can't wipe out aging diseases, unfortunately. Now, what about kids that get cancer? I doubt their short life exposure to environmental factors would've resulted in cancer that fast. Everything causes cancer, we know, but so does our relatively awful mechanism of copying DNA. We make a TON of mistakes when copying our own DNA during cell division. BTW, GMO doesn't necessarily mean "harmful". Let alone cancerogenous just because. One should be careful when labeling things. Living longer doesn't mean cancer though. The body does have a expiration date and the more and more meds people are put on to extend their lives just means something else will popup. One of the many reasons why more and more people are now suffering from dementia in the elder years. The meds kept them alive past what their brain was going to be good for. Define short exposure? Also define environmental factors. If the mother has been eating food that can cause cancer long before conception, then from the start of conception a fetus has been exposed to those factors. So short life exposure could also mean their entire life. Sure some GMO may not be harmful, but you also cannot say that all GMO is safe as well. I find one case that shows GMO as harmful and one can say that GMO can cause cancer. To expand a little further, (depending on where you live) GMO products don't have to be labeled as GMO products. How about this? In a study done by Dr. Pusztai at the Rowett Institute in Scotland, rats were fed GMO foods, especially potatoes. ALL rats showed damaged immune systems, pre-cancerous cell growths, along with smaller brains and livers, in just the first 10 days of the project. American consumers believe that the FDA has approved these GMO foods and this is simply not the case. The FDA has NO testing procedures for GMO foods, NONE. The only human study ever published showed that those foreign genes that are present in GM food transfer to the DNA in the bacteria in our digestive systems. We, the American consumer, are the guinea pig (or rat) in this case. Unfortunately, almost all grains, including soybeans, wheat, and corn, have been grown via GMOâs. So that was in tens days. You mentioned short life exposure. 10-days is not very long at all. I'm sure these rats were fed large volumes of food and this is an absolute worst case, but you are also only talking about 10-days before issues starts to be seen. How about this study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150305152111.htm So GM soybean oil was created to "solve" a problem and actually didn't solve it. So while the GM soybean oil is a little healthier than the non-GMO, if the average person used more of the GM soybean oil now and faced the same ill effects, they are actually in worse shape. No longterm studies have been performed. Conagra is a big proponent of GMO's. Can you trust when a company says something is safe? Take Conagra and their GMO popcorn. They say it (GMO) is safe but yet they were adding a chemical to it for the butter flavor called diacetyl. Conagra decided to remove it from their products amid health concerns of it causing lung cancer. Now, you are thinking what does diacetyl have to do GMO and possible cancer. Well, Conagra says GMO's are safe and they also stated that in 2007 they would not add it to their popcorn. They even put on the box that no diacetyl was added. A lawsuit was filed because Conagra was still alleging putting it in their popcorn. How about this? http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g...b8-4b8d-a615-e995b68bf626 The Philippine Supreme Court has reportedly invalidated a 2002 governmental regulation allowing the import of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) after Greenpeace and a farmer's group challenged the field testing of a GMO eggplant (talong). The ruling affirms a lower court's 2013 decision finding "no full scientific certainty yet as to the effects of Bt talong field trials to the environment and to the health of the people" and noting that existing regulations did not do enough to protect Philippine environment and health. Since GMO's were released on the market not even 20 years ago, no one knows what health risks they pose (if any.) So why should one be careful labeling them when no true longterm study has actually been performed? Why have various countries banned GMO's if they are so safe? |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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you're right about FDA...it has no check-ups for GMO...all it does is thrust manufacturers!
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Former Member
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Self governance has never worked and never will. In many cases the regulating authority doesn't even check.
How do you check that the food is as safe as the non-GMO? Feed both to rats and see what happens? Not exactly a real study that shows how it is metabolized by the human body. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sugar-high-fructo...up-worse-for-your-health/ Very few studies have been conducted that compare sugar sources head-to-head, such as comparing high-fructose corn syrup against table sugar in a person's daily diet, said Dr. Kylie Kavanagh, an assistant professor of pathology and comparative medicine at Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in Winston-Salem, N.C. Most of the handful out there have been funded by the corn industry, which casts a shadow over their mostly positive findings, she contends. Kavanagh said she's firmly in the camp that believes the source of sugar does matter, and that high-fructose corn syrup is worse than table sugar. That's because the glucose and fructose contained in high-fructose corn syrup aren't chemically bonded, while the two are joined by a chemical bond in table sugar. "That means they are much more easily absorbed when delivered in industrial high-fructose corn syrup," Kavanagh said. "The fructose is floating free." When a study is paid for by a proponent of something, it is very hard to trust the findings. If the findings were not in favor of their view, would they have released the findings? Was the study done in such a way so that it was guaranteed to be positive? When scientists cannot even agree but yet no true study has been performed, then how can the lobbyist group or manufacturer be trusted? How come all that has been done and paid for by the the corn growers are short-term studies? Are they afraid of what they will find or of the unknown? High fructose corn syrup has been around for 40 years and no longterm study has even been done. GMO's are 20 years old. So if the FDA, USDA, etc. are not willing to fund the studies, what do they actually do to verify if something is safe? |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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in Europe it's still a slightly different thing...we got more taxes, but some things are funded from state...& we mostly didn't accept GMO right away...
----------------------------------------but the LOBBY is good & strong...so even bad stuff get through, as it's good & strong! ![]() |
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