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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Since there has been a while me not being on the forum, does anyone know if the Xeon Phi coprocessor (mainly the latest versions)can be used to crunch work units on one of the existing projects?
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Not that I know of.
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Jack007
Master Cruncher CANADA Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 1604 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I hear knights landing (whichever the latest is) will have 72 cores and a bootable OS.
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Since there has been a while me not being on the forum, does anyone know if the Xeon Phi coprocessor (mainly the latest versions)can be used to crunch work units on one of the existing projects? does BOINC actually see it as a coproc?! ![]() |
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Jack007
Master Cruncher CANADA Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 1604 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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google is your friend,
----------------------------------------I don't remember the articles I've been reading about it. I don't think Knights corner will work, but if I'm remembering correctly knights landing (the latest one) should do the trick. I want one too, but price supposed to be around $4000 USD. Edit: http://www.servethehome.com/intel-knights-landing-details-emerge/ ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Jack007 at Oct 17, 2015 4:52:28 AM] |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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google is your friend, I don't remember the articles I've been reading about it. I don't think Knights corner will work, but if I'm remembering correctly knights landing (the latest one) should do the trick. I want one too, but price supposed to be around $4000 USD. Edit: http://www.servethehome.com/intel-knights-landing-details-emerge/ 3+TF in DP...WoW...nice figures! but a lot of power consumption also! not so efficient... ![]() (it's 200W is just too much...when a 750 does 1GF on 45W top...or a 750Ti does 1,7GF on 55W also! so no extra power needed for GPU on PCIe...) would like to try it out in OpenCL though...like here: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=72020&postid=1434302 ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by KLiK at Oct 17, 2015 8:26:32 AM] |
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Jack007
Master Cruncher CANADA Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Post Count: 1604 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Klik,
----------------------------------------I have to disagree about the power consumption. If it runs like a CPU (which is a big IF) then my latest I7 5820 6 core build with radeon 7950, uses more than 200 watts. If this other thing is doing terraflops then it kicks the 5820 to the curb. (less than a 100 Gflops) ![]() |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Klik, I have to disagree about the power consumption. If it runs like a CPU (which is a big IF) then my latest I7 5820 6 core build with radeon 7950, uses more than 200 watts. If this other thing is doing terraflops then it kicks the 5820 to the curb. (less than a 100 Gflops) when you look here for CPU: http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Core-i7-5820K & your GPU, which also does almost 3TF & about 300W in power mode: http://gpuboss.com/graphics-card/Radeon-HD-7950 then it's the same thing - almost... but, keep in mind that XEON PHI is not BOINC friendly now...maybe it will be?! so maybe u should use it also, for a Gridcoin team participation...just a thought...& a SETi@home comes to mind! ![]() |
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Former Member
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Trying to compare Xeon Phi to existing CPU or GPU doesn't really work as it is something of a combination. On one hand each Phi core it is much "smarter" (has a simplified x86 instruction set available) than a GPU core but on the other hand those same cores were never intended to fully have the same functionality as a modern CPU core. The balance of which is why they have (only) 61 cores. SP and DP specs are not indicative of anything unless you can say what the software you are running depends on - do you know?
----------------------------------------Probably one of the largest factors in any discussion of efficiency between CPU / GPU / Phi is if / how well the problem itself can be solved in a parallel manner. Think about it this way - there are very few BOINC GPU projects but lots and lots of CPU ones - that is a combination of the skill of the scientists' programing abilities (no disrespect intended - they often hold doctorates in their specific field but only program because they have to) and the fact hat most of these "problems" are not solvable in a parallel manner to begin with. This is not easy stuff. There is another case for the Phi - and that is in theory it should be "easier" for developers to port code between CPU and Phi (remember there is at least some level of commonality on the x86 knowledge) . A great example of this is what *could* be done with the Rosetta application (while the outcome is speculative, the background information is from the real world). Rosetta does not use any advanced cpu vector instructions (not even SSE) so it would likely be a relatively easy port - we're not talking about changing the programming model to be parallel, likely just a wrapper so that a cpu could manage kicking off multiple instances on the Phi. While this is the least beneficial of optimizations, you could be running 61 WUs at a time. To bring it closer to home, up until a few years ago we were running a genome project here on WCG that used that app!!! Trying to make that app run on a GPU would not work at all, you would have to write an entirely new program based on entirely different instruction set - as a programmer I can say that is a huge undertaking and not something to be taken on lightly. apples + oranges + plums = enjoy the full cornucopia ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 22, 2015 1:58:58 PM] |
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Former Member
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Looks like Knights Landing is the one to go for - it supports x87, SSE and AVX so should run the existing software just fine.
With 288 threads you'll need lots of memory though, and I dread to think what 288 instances of CEP2 would do to the hard drive. Hopefully the KL board will support a XPoint M.2. |
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