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New Crunching Machine Help

This is going to seem a bit out their but bear with me.

Dad passed away and has some conditions in his will while it is going thru probate.

All his Children MUST participate in WCG and turn over the results to the Lawyers when the will is finalized.
Other family members are going to buy some off the shelf units from the local store to do this but I want to do it right and really crank out some numbers for this.

so I am looking at spending 5k on this unit possibly more depending on cost vs benefit.

would a multi CPU unit be better or getting 2 units running side by side?
Is the cost of a GPU worth the expense for crunching?

Thanks for the help with this, I will post updates when I get the info pack the attorney is sending me (supposedly sent yesterday).

Brian
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Re: New Crunching Machine Help

My condolences.

Time is an important factor with this. If the terms of the will mention it then greatest performance might be had from renting a dedicated machine in the short term. or purchasing might be better in the long term.

The former will involve more learning on your part however.

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I have a little more time now to elaborate:

If we consider initial cost then a number of smaller cpu's running in independent rigs is cheapest but probably costs more to run than a single machine with more than one cpu fitted which would cost more to build.

The deciding factor will be the cost of electricity over the long term unless you live in an area of cheap electricity supply.

Purchasing and running any machine is the way to go if you intend to keep crunching WCG long term (lets say more than a year or 18 months)

If you think your plans are to do this for a shorter time then it would make more sense financially to investigate renting a dedicated server and learning how to set this up remotely. The same is true if you would like to make a large number of points quickly.

At this time WCG does not use graphics cards
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Re: New Crunching Machine Help

Update - Got the Paperwork and a Check

Need to run a "farm" for at least 1 year during the probate process, the highest "cruncher in the family gets something that is unspecified at this time.

If I budget out $500 a month for power bill that will leave me with over 17k to build my farm.

I have been running WCG and Seti off and on for a while now and would like to continue when this is over and done, at the same time I wonder if this could be setup as multi function behind the front end crunching.
One idea was to migrate my media server that is running on a Zyxel NSA325 into this unit so I can expand it with more storage space and compatibility of file types.

anyway off to more research!
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My opinion, and it is just that, but spending $17k on hardware with plans to only run it for a year is not the most efficient way of doing it. Additionally, I don't know where you live, but here in Central North Carolina, where electricity is just under 10 cents/kWh, $500 a month would get you basically 7,000 Watts 24/7. That's a lot of electricity. I'm running a dozen and a half systems, mostly i7s, and my setup consumes under 3000 Watts (although I'm not sure how far under).

Personally, as hardware cost is the biggest concern for me, I have a motley collection of whatever was available at the time at a great price. This means my 24/7 fleet consists of four different generations of i7s, a couple older laptops, some Sandy Bridge i5s that I got scratch-and-dent, a 32-core AMD Opteron system, and a recently-build Westmere dual-socket system. However, I would suggest that you go with something more uniform--a collection of identical Haswell i7s or AMD FX8 systems would be a straightforward route to go, or you could opt for multi-CPU systems instead.
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Re: New Crunching Machine Help

What is your local electricity cost ?? Further guidance requires that figure per Kw/h

EDIT: However a spend of $500 per month could place you around 50th in total daily output for the whole of WCG if renting dedicated servers located remotely
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Re: New Crunching Machine Help

Lol. My electricity cost for my whole house is about $11 per month and this includes running two WCG devices (a G1610 and a Tegra Note 7) for about 10 hours per day each. My kwh cost is about $0.27 in the UK.
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Yeah doive I am in UK too so I already did a bunch of calculations around high power running ....I sooo wish I had a $0.10 Kw/h rate. Hardware costs are only the half of it for us here
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Re: New Crunching Machine Help

Sorry for your loss. I suggest a dual processor system. 12 core or higher per processor. Make sure you include a nice UPS to protect it too.
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Thanks for the input everyone, I do appreciate it

this is not just going to be for a year (year min as per dads will) I plan on running the as long as I can.

I live in central California USA and my power bill at the moment runs around $120 - $150 per month running a total elec. household.

Think I have figured out what I want to do.
thought about getting 3 maxed out gaming units but I like this other idea better, it has more versatility.

Short rack system
4 - 1ru - Dual cpu cruncher boards - 24 threads per - upgradeable
1 - 2ru - Seagate Data storage server 8x4gb drives - media server
1 - 4ru - redundant power conditioning unit
1 - 2ru - modular switch / router / modem unit - looking at the cisco 3600 series but not sure yet.

Use existing i7 laptop to act as a front end to this
may have enough to get a good basic desktop to keep my laptop free just depends on what I can find.
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Re: New Crunching Machine Help

Firstly, very sorry for your loss!

Secondly, it might be worth having a look at the new LGA2011-v3 Xeon chips, they now go up to 14-core (28-thread), and don't seem to be ridiculously expensive. Not sure how they compare, performance-wise, with the older LGA2011 chips (someone else may be able to answer that), but I'd say they're worth considering.
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