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So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

Solar singlet fission boosts solar power efficiency by 30%.

Solar panel made with ion cannon is cheap enough to challenge fossil fuels.

Princeton’s nanomesh nearly triples solar cell efficiency.

A lot of the energy trapped behind the mesh, as described in the last article, is probably radiated as heat on the other side of the metal. Perhaps it can be combined with a heat exchanger.


So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ... except maybe this:

New material for flat semiconductors.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

I don't quite understand the post. You say no real progress is being made but the links you point to demonstrate the exact opposite.

If your're referring to the fact that products based on these advances aren't commercially available yet, remember it typically takes quite a time for research in the lab, now matter how promising, to make it out into the real world.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

Yes, many incremental advances, but still a long way from solar panels that can compete with the price of electricity generated with coal. By that I mean total cost with a ten year capital write-off, for the panels and the cost for hiring an electrician that does the installation.

I know that these panels are supposed to last 20-30 years, but can we really trust those numbers, and even if we could, not many consumers are willing to invest with such a long time horizon. We are willing to risk initial cost on a ten year write-off, because we can plan that far ahead, but 20-30 years?

I don’t think there will be a defining moment when we say: this is it, now everyone will buy. More likely there will be a slow adoption without any fanfare. Also, no matter how long we wait before we buy panels, it’ll always be too soon. These things will continue to improve for decades to come.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

>I don’t think there will be a defining moment when we say: this is it, now everyone will buy. More likely there will be a slow adoption without any fanfare. Also, no matter how long we wait before we buy panels, it’ll always be too soon. These things will continue to improve for decades to come.

I don't think that has existed for any new technology. Cell phones, smartphones, computers, and the fuel efficiency of cars are all good examples; it reaches a point where the price is worth it to certain consumers, they buy it and as the years tick by there are bigger and better. If I was waiting for computers to reach their pinnacle I would have waited decades and would still be waiting decades more. That doesn't mean I won't buy a computer, I have bought my fair share and they have helped me greatly. Compared to other helpful things (pencil and paper, calculator, calendar, video game system, etc.) they seem expensive but they are worth it for tons of people.

I do admit the waiting is the hardest part as idea -> research -> finished product/vaccine/cure can easily takes years to a decade plus but I view projects like this as a social investment.

Don't be discouraged mate :)
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

It depends where you live of course, but in many countries the cost of solar and fossil fuel power is comparable.

See for example:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/11/3...ar-spot-price-record-low/
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/j...break-solar-power-records


What's holding back even more rapid adoption of solar power are the issues involved in integrating the power produced into existing electricity grids in a useful way: you need baseline power and in itself solar can't provide this (at night for example). You need to either store the energy produced from solar (pumped storage; flow batteries etc.) or change the nature of the power grid itself.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

About your link to the Guardian article that describes the adoption rate in different EU countries:

Europe has “59% of the world's cumulative photovoltaic capacity”.

This is not a coincident, many of these countries have consumer tax breaks when buying solar panels. I think that’s wrong, since all it does is subsidizing Chinese solar panel companies. Haven’t we lost enough jobs to China, must we really spend tax money to speed up this, ours, economic suicide. The consumer subsidizes should be redirected to European solar panel companies instead. But, that being said, I must say it’s impressive that half of Germany’s electricity is generated with solar panels. Very impressive. I almost had to rub my eyes when I read that.

I guess there is one positive aspect with all the slow and incremental advances in research: a broader knowledge base, which increases the number of ways the solar panels’ energy efficiency can be improved – even if they never succeed in commercializing a semiconductor that’s more efficient than silicon.

However, if there’s going to be a wide consumer adoption in low income, developing countries, they’ll have to do precisely that – commercialize a semiconductor that’s more efficient than silicon. So lets hope the people behind this and other projects succeed.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

>I guess there is one positive aspect with all the slow and incremental advances in research: a broader knowledge base, which increases the number of ways the solar panels’ energy efficiency can be improved....

-That is what I am hoping for. As their research gets released into the public domain others can build off of it instead of repeating the work that was already done here. In the long term it will speed up research as a whole and allow money from other groups to be better focused.

I've always had decently powerful to high end machines. But now that I changed my line of work, they don't get utilized anymore. Now I feel I am doing some actual good with them and getting the full usage out of them at the same time.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

The cost of solar panels has been declining steadily for years. I tried to find the chart I remembered but couldn't. It was pretty linear though. Right now, solar is dependent up subsidies to match electricity generated by gas and coal but that will change and according to this article in Forbes, by 2025 will be on a par with nat gas. Also, storage tech will have advanced enough by then that you will be able to use excess electricity generated when there is sun to provide power during periods of darkness.

It would be nice if there were a quantum leap in solar generation tech and that's always a possibility, but slow and steady will also work. It just takes a bit longer.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

While continuing improvements in efficiency and cost are always welcome, I think the current hole in the solar power story is storage, especially utility scale electricity storage.

Fortunately I think this is the"decade of the battery", in that at least some of the myriad advances in battery technology being announced almost daily are likely to be commercialized eventually.
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Re: So many scientists doing so much research, but still no real progress ...

TBMS wrote:
...I think that’s wrong, since all it does is subsidizing Chinese solar panel companies. Haven’t we lost enough jobs to China, must we really spend tax money to speed up this, ours, economic suicide. The consumer subsidizes should be redirected to European solar panel companies instead...


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I am sure you can find the better reason why we have to avoid using renewable sources of energy rolling eyes
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