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Re: Result status all errors

Now I have the first error, but with code 193:
FAHV_ x2AOF-B-AS_ 0879050_ 0263_ 2
[08:53:55] Starting task 62,CPU time is 20031.715000.
[08:53:55] ./ZINC19376657_1.pdbqt size = 23 3 ../../projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/fahv.x2AOF-B-AS.pdbqt size = 1840 0
[08:56:43] Finished task #-33 cpu time used 140.425000
SIGSEGV: segmentation violation
#00 pc 0006a6bc /data/data/sk.boinc.nativeboinc/files/boinc/projects/www.worldcommunitygrid.org/wcgrid_f (???) [0xe5153004]

Exiting...
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As you will have read, am keeping a detail log of tasks done with nativeboinc. On the now 123 results, two had this. Twelve went out with signal 11.

To continue the experiment, since the last of these signal fails, have reduced the 'while processor usage is than' to 20 percent down from 30, a value less than 100 percent of 1 core on a 4 core. Though the os is supposed to spread load over all cores, suspecting some latency still causes a core to get saturated and tasks at times to choke. The agent probably has a sampling rate slow enough to not detect the high load timely, so with 20 percent hoping to allow a better pre-empting.

At the same time increased the 'use at most nn percent of processors' from 75 to 100 percent. Surprisingly, when the 193's occurred running 4 cores, they had not come back going to 3, just the signal 11 persisted, 11 percent of results, but 5 percent of total accumulated runtime. Still not good enough for me. 12 results off 4 cores completed now and no issue yet, but the efficiency did drop from an average 96 to 93-94. Can live with that if it stops multiple hours loss to errors each pop.

Remains the other major irritation, the 'too late' conversions with 7 percent of runtime suffering this. Work units running fine, but somehow quorum not achieved, each non-failing wingman apparently just differently enough to not pass, or in a few cases, not a single wingman succeeding.

Preposterous, but with just one tablet, my rac ranking is 33 for android according nativeboinc stats out of 2518 members who've chosen to not hide their host statistics details, meaning the device stats can be connected to a member.

Detail tablet stats: http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah289/lavaflow1/NativeBOINCResults.png
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Normally my android devices are set to 100% cpu and 100% usage. But yesterday I needed to change the later to 90% because the psu was not able to hold the battery of my galaxy s2 on a constant level. This led to automatically turn of the device with empty battery.
Perhaps this was the reason for this error.

I've also observed some too lates with the same details you've written above.
My devices are also visible and thus part of the nativeboinc stats. At the moment my rac ranking is 20. My username is same as at wcg.
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A device needs to run 60 days to get any semblance of correct rac. At project overall level it's thoroughly wrong though, since it seems to be the sum of individual device racs rather than a weighted average. With 1 device no probs as in my case, with multiple it's already pronouncedly off, until all run 60 days constant. Nativeboinc produces the exact same racs as boincstats i.e. they work it the same way.
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Thanks for clarification, lavaflow.
Before you answered I corrected my post because I have overseen that your link was a filtered list on project wcg. And only 2 (now 3) devices were (are) active on wcg.
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It is looking like many days of NO invalid errors :-)
after a long time with many errors :-(
Running 2 core and 50% memory.

Could this be the light at the end of the tunnel of NO
errors, or is that light I see a train? Only time will tell.
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My error rate on the s2 is increasing. Using all 2 cores but only 90% seems to cause this. Set cpu usage back to 100%.
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Setting the cpu time to 90 percent means stop / start / stop / start on and on and on. Can't see that as conducive to stable processing for this feeble app.

An interesting stat on the nativeboinc run so far: Over 90 percent of received tasks ends up in the repair cycle. To be exact, have logged a distribution of 1 or 2 for 12 out of 126 results. Those in repair have an average distribution of 7.4 copies to include 8 that were removed from circulation altogether, no quorum possible even after 10-12 copies. Bluntly, about 90 percent of the devices are just not fit for crunching purpose with the present application. With hubble you could not see success being written as a promise in the far distance.

The whole issue is wearing me out, deeply frustrating. Going to toss this nonsense very soon and pull out. Wcg has become a serious issue grid.
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Setting the cpu time to 90 percent means stop / start / stop / start on and on and on. Can't see that as conducive to stable processing for this feeble app.

An interesting stat on the nativeboinc run so far: Over 90 percent of received tasks ends up in the repair cycle. To be exact, have logged a distribution of 1 or 2 for 12 out of 126 results. Those in repair have an average distribution of 7.4 copies to include 8 that were removed from circulation altogether, no quorum possible even after 10-12 copies. Bluntly, about 90 percent of the devices are just not fit for crunching purpose with the present application. With hubble you could not see success being written as a promise in the far distance.

The whole issue is wearing me out, deeply frustrating. Going to toss this nonsense very soon and pull out. Wcg has become a serious issue grid.

I don't run any android devices, but you raise an interesting(serious) issue. I am wondering if the benefits of the processing power of the various devices are being oversold by ambitious vendors. I would tend to think the devices are not designed nor engineered to do the kind of continuous processing needed for successful completion of the WU's. I may be mistaken, but think the devices are engineered with small bursts of processing power needed and more emphasis is put on screen graphics and other specialized functions of the device in question. A crude analogy might be comparing a sports car to a pickup truck. The sports car is speedy, has a lot of horsepower, but is built for moving a light load, with precision at quick pace whereas the pick up is not nearly so nimble, but can move greater payloads. You would not tow a large load with a sports car, but you might with a pickup.
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Hmm, that's really a good question. It is interesting that the application runs stable and without errors if the parameters are set to 100% cores and 100% utilization of the cores. My dedicated boinc androids (odroids and minix) running fine with that.
My s2 i picked up from the drawer runs fine with that setting too. But in the last days it consumed more energy than the psu delivered. I checked all other android settings and disabled a lot of things yesterday. Now I'm back with 100% settings. Overnight I observered no energy drain.

But, and this is the issue, it disqualifies the application for all smartphone/tablett users where boinc is allowed to use the resources only if the device is not in use or boinc is configured to not interfere with the normal usage of the device .

Edit: Made clarification in the last sentence in red color. Thanks to lavaflow for pointing me to this.
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