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Re: How many members do we have?

Interesting point retsof.
To try and find the correct answer I selected an EU country at random. Belgium came out of the hat. Belgium has 236 members and I checked each entry on the all time points listing, sigh.

I selected the cut off point as 30 days or 720 hours. Interestingly those that are above this figure are well above and there are 8 or 9 approaching 720 which suggests they have become inactive. Those that are active are mainly in the 2-50 hour bracket.

This gives the following result: Active members 123 Non active 113 or 52.12% against 47.88% I can see no reason why Belgium is statistically abnormal so applying the 47.88% figure against the front page membership figure gives an active membership of 44,346.

This correlates with the quick scan I did of the UK membership which gave a figure of 40% inactives.

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Re: How many members do we have?

The number on the front page is pulled from the database, so it is what it is...

Maybe you can lobby photobytony to do his calculations for the rest of the countries to get a definitive answer...

OR

...maybe you can divide up the work of calculating the countries and then send all the results to one person and have them put it all in a spreadsheet and then just hit the sum button a couple times and divide. Sounds like that's what a true grid computing evangelist would do!
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Re: How many members do we have?

Photobytony - you need to get out more laughing
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Re: How many members do we have?

Nelsoc and the WCG

I refer you to the previous answer by mycroft.

I have challenged the number of members you claim to have, which is being quoted by the press, from information provided by the WCG. It's up to you, the WCG, to prove or change your stated figure. I would suggest as you are supplying this data that you check it's validity. I do not have the resource or time to do so for you. I'm sure IBM has the facilities and resources to do this! My spare cpu cycles are already being put to good use.

I have asked a reasonable question, please provide an answer.
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Re: How many members do we have?

Well, frankly, I am not sure we can truly come up with any ONE number of active users. There would seem to be just too many variables to me. What's an active user? Someone who crunches only during idle time such as when their screen saver kicks in? How do you compare that to a user who crunches 24x7 on their machine? What about the single user running 20 devices? Do you count them as one active user or 20? And not all those devices necessarily run the same amount of time. I don't see the number of users, active or otherwise, as any kind of true measurement of "the project". The number of users is good for one thing, PR, and nothing else.

You want to measure WCG in a way that you can compare it to other DC projects out there? I'd go with total runtime per calendar year. As I recall, it would seem WCG is very close to it's first anniversary and we're fast closing in on 15 THOUSAND years of run time. 15,000 to 1 is not shabby in my mind. Oh some folks will insist on saying 15K years accomplished by 10K users is "better" than 15K years by 100K users. To me, the real point of grid computing is that we've done 15,000 years of computations without adversely impacting any of the users who have been a part of that precisely because grid computing uses otherwise idle CPU resource. I doubt that a supercomputer would have taken 15,000 years to do the same amount of computing but I'd like to see one do it in a year using only it's idle CPU time.


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Re: How many members do we have?

I have to agree with photobytony. WCG is publishing claimed number of users. It is far from accurate - as we have discussed for many months now.
As mycroft alluded to, a key question is whether this impacts WCG's credibility traded off against using the higher number to attract new members. My own assessment is the risk is too high - your reputation takes a long time to build and an instant to destroy.
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Photobytony - you need to get out more laughing



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Re: How many members do we have?

Nelsoc and the WCG

I refer you to the previous answer by mycroft.

I have challenged the number of members you claim to have, which is being quoted by the press, from information provided by the WCG. It's up to you, the WCG, to prove or change your stated figure. I would suggest as you are supplying this data that you check it's validity. I do not have the resource or time to do so for you. I'm sure IBM has the facilities and resources to do this! My spare cpu cycles are already being put to good use.

I have asked a reasonable question, please provide an answer.


If you don't have the resources to do this, how can you assume that we do? Have you not seen the myriad of requests for new features by other members? Surely the number of "active" members we have cannot be at the top of everyone's list. The World Community Grid is a not for profit organization, so IBM provides corporate support, but they're not just throwing money at us.
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Re: How many members do we have?

The number one priority is a reliable client/server.....that we have so for me it is sweet.

The other stuff would be welcome but is not really important.

I know a place that discusses the WCG and has PM facilities so I don't much mind that. smile

Accurate userbase stats would also be welcome....but again, not a critical update.

The project is still relatively young, as is the associated forum.....so we must give it time and room to grow.

Just my tuppence worth.

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Re: How many members do we have?

I happen to know of another distributed computing project that claims to have 1,280,575 members, but according to their statistics they are only producing about twice as much run time as WCG. So, if there's only got 44,000 active members here (~50% active), that means this other grid has 88,000 active... out of a reported 1,280,575 (6.8% active).

I can give you a link to the forums for that project if you want...
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