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CPU Performance vs. aggregate WCG Tasks

Hey guys,

My cruncher in the basement looks like its about to blow a power supply so I was shopping around newegg today and started wasting a bunch of time trying to design whole new machine to replace the ailing one in the basement.

What I couldn't get a bead on was what the most important elements were to maximizing throughput. For this discussion, let's leave GPU co-processing out of the equation because that's an obvious benefit.

Largely, I think the processor type and number of cores, including hyperthreading, with processor speed is the primary factor.

Does that gel? What I don't get is if a ~3.0 GHZ i5 3rd Gen is comparable to a ~3.0 GHZ i7 3rd Gen if both have 4 cores and both have hyperthreading. Is it worth the extra $? Would it even be noticeable?

I was actually surprised to not see a sticky about this subject.

I'm sure this has been discussed previously, so if someone has a link readily available please forward.
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Re: CPU Performance vs. aggregate WCG Tasks

1. Nope, i5s (all gens) do not have HT. It is 4 cores / 4 threads. So i7-3770 (3rd gen, Ivy Bridge) with 8 threads / 4 cores is no brainer. And the TDP is very gentle - when running full capacity 8 CPU tasks on 100% it is only 46 Watts biggrin

2. GPU: if you are going to crunch WCG, go with ATI. The most cost efficient (both in term of price and in terms of TDP) is 7750. It is low-end 7000 series card (819 GigaFLOPS Single Precision Compute Power), but I am satisfy with it and the results. 7970 is a cannon(4.3 TeraFLOPS Single, 1.01 TeraFLOPS Double Precision Compute Power shock ), but much more expensive with much higher TDP raised eyebrow

3. Do not underestimate PSU

4. Quality Mobo is must, buy one which allows adding (at least) another GPU

5. Do not save money on case wink

6. Cheers peace
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Re: CPU Performance vs. aggregate WCG Tasks

You can use this http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html#cpuvalue to get an idea of price vs. performance.

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Re: CPU Performance vs. aggregate WCG Tasks

1. Nope, i5s (all gens) do not have HT. It is 4 cores / 4 threads. So i7-3770 (3rd gen, Ivy Bridge) with 8 threads / 4 cores is no brainer. And the TDP is very gentle - when running full capacity 8 CPU tasks on 100% it is only 46 Watts biggrin




That's what I had recalled from previous system building. However, I read this today on Intel's site:

Intel HT Technology is available on previous-generation Intel® Core™ processors, the 3rd generation Intel® Core™ processor family, and the Intel® Xeon® processor family. By combining one of these Intel® processors and chipsets with an OS and BIOS supporting Intel HT Technology, you can:
•Run demanding applications simultaneously while maintaining system responsiveness
•Keep systems protected, efficient, and manageable while minimizing impact on productivity
•Provide headroom for future business growth and new solution capabilities


Source: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/archit...threading-technology.html

Then if you watch the demo, Intel make's it seem like the new i3s, i5s, and i7s all have HT.

Source: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/archit...ing-technology-video.html

If you watch the vid, there's no dilineation stating i7's are the only ones that have it anymore.

Cheap marketing trick or fun new fact?

Doing some more digging, I found this chart which shows all processors with HT support by Intel. And there's a lot of them. The kicker? It would appear the i5 is actually a 2-core/4-thread processor.

Source: http://ark.intel.com/search/advanced/?s=t&HyperThreading=true


So in short, I agree, but because I always thought the i5 was a true 4-core I assumed if it NOW had HT it would be a 4-core/8-thread which is not the case.

Otherwise, it seems like the key factors are:


  • Cores (including logical cores) to process multiple work units simultaneously.
  • Processor Speed
  • GPU Co-Proessing where higher "Double Precision" processing speed is better than "Single Precision" processing speed for GPU enabled work units - more cards allows more GPU units to be processed at a time.
  • Power Supply to adequately handle it all on a 24/7 basis (I recommend people use 80 PLUS certified PSUs)


Sound good? Thanks.
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