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Re: Choosing the right hardware for long term crunching - Return of experience.

Here's a [my] almost final assembly for a machine that has to be lasting for the next 7 years [which is how long the Q6600 has been running now, without any hardware failure], but some will be lasting much longer I'm sure.

MAST.SATA X DVD±R/±RW SAMSUNG
CPU INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.4G LGA1155
CABINET ATX MIDI TOWER SilverStone - PS06-A
ALIMENTATORE CORSAIR 850W RS-A50-SPHA-D3 80+ PFC
MOTHERBOARD ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE Z77 ATX DDR3 SAT3 USB3.0 SK 1155 WIFI
MEMORIA DDR3 16GB 1600MHZ CL9 SINGLE VENGEANCE BLACK (4)
SSD OCZ 256GB VERTEX4 R550/W465 2.5 SATA3 BLACK
HARD DISK SATA3 3.5" 1TB BARRACUDA 7200RPM 32MB 3.5 SATA3 SEAGATE
SCHEDE GRAFICHE ASUS AMD HD7970 925MHZ 3GB DDR5 PCI-E3.0 DVI/HDMI
MONITOR Benq 24'' Multimediale GW2450HM 6ms dotpitch 2,7
TASTIERA E MOUSE LOGITECH k120
SISTEMA OPERATIVO UBUNTU LINUX 12.10

In dubio if to swap the 7970 for a 7770. Latter uses per reviews about 60 Watts/Hour less at full load, or 525 Kwh/annum, plus it knocks off a few hundred Euro from the initial price. The PSU is rich
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Re: Choosing the right hardware for long term crunching - Return of experience.

If the cost of the 7970 is too much, I would look at the 7950 or 7870 before the 7770.
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Sek:

1. for cpu crunching, I would have to go with a 3930k with 6 cores. It's not as efficient, but I don't think the difference in nodes is that great between sandy-e and ivy. Plus it will give you 12 threads rather than 8 for a 50% increase.

2. make sure the m/b can handle 8gb dram. That will be the standard soon and in a few years, 16gb will seem cramped so you will want to upgrade to 4x8gb.

3. get a bluray reader/writer. The price of media is coming down for bluray and it is much better for archiving. Plus if you have a player in your entertainment system, you can create your own discs. It will also handle DVD, CD, etc.

4. on the video card, for now I would get the 7770. There is a rebate on them I think, at least for powercolor in the US so they are about $100-110. The only thing that would change that is if you want to rack up some serious points during the current HCC-GPU project.

In that case, I don't know if there is a difference in the number of stream processors between the 7750 and 7770. If not, with a good m/b and good PSU, you should be able to oc the 7750 to 1100ghz. No guarantees and it depends on the rest of the system and how clean your power source is so I also recommend a UPS, but from what I've read here, all of the name brand cards seem to overclock quite well
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BladeD,

One off cost is not an issue, but 525 Kwh annum as a returning item of about 275 Euro annul regrettably is. Power cost here goes aggressively up, the more one uses, so it's a major criterion to consider [100% green it supposedly is]. We've already been announced a 19% price hike over last year, 12 month frozen contract... in fact, the higher Kwh max potential used has been raised by 50%, so we're looking at smart managing, to keep peak potential below 4.5Kwh down from 6Kwh [not run dishwasher, laundromat, iron and airco all at same time].

twilyth,

1) Result throughput is way higher on my checklist over hours clocked.
2) The mobo can have 32Gb spread over 4 slots.
4) Yes, I'm gravitating towards the 7770...(see the power consideration)
3) Have a BluRay R/W in the Q6600 that does 50Gb burns, which I'll be swapping out, so the old machine can still act as backup service.

The power source is clean clean, except when the thunder comes really close which can be 365 days of the year in this corner where cold and hot meet in opposite directions [yet to ever have to power down, even during the worst]. The UPS's are zillion joules protection... standard issue, even the laptops run off them. The assembly as posted originally is pretty much OCable/voltable in all critical areas. I'll be approaching that very very slowly... past experience with fried RAM dictates that.
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I am no computing expert and my PCs were built by a friend who is a retired electrical engineer. Based on his recommendations (a mixture of acquisition cost, running cost and reliability) I am running the machines listed below with the ASUS F2 A85-V PRO board in each. I was running two AMD 1090Ts, but gave one to my son and use the other for photography. I have accumulated 14M credits on WCG, 1M points on FAH (Alzheimer's) and 10.5M points on POEM, and a number of others, now discontinued. Because of electricity costs, one A10 runs 24/7 and the other A10 runs about 100h/wk.
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AMD Ryzen 5 2600 6-core Processor with Windows 11 64 Pro.

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Sek: by UPS (uninterruptible power supply), I mean a battery back up. Power strip surge protectors don't do anything to condition the AC waveform coming in.
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Sorry, the word "also" slipped off the keyboard... my UPS's do the zillion joules protection in addition, and insure spike damages up to 20,000 Euro :D
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May I ask how efficient your UPS is?

I have always thought of them being similar to a Bronze PSU but for the life of me I don't know why.
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report: Intel Ivy Bridge EX Will Sport Up to 15 Cores-- http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Haswell-Ivy-Sandy-Xeon,20756.html
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May I ask how efficient your UPS is?

I have always thought of them being similar to a Bronze PSU but for the life of me I don't know why.

Long time ago I checked in and posted about it. All attached devices off, and the suckers were still eating 20 W/H. Unplugged all devices, and still 20 W/H, and this is with the power switch of the UPS off. They felt luke warm, which is when I started to unplug them from the wall-socket when away. Oddly, when plugging in the laptop, without battery in it, it was eating 85W/H when crunching full out on 2 cores. When plugged directly into the wallsocket it also takes 85W/H... what in the world is this?

And this is kinky... a LED light bar of 1 meter takes 2.4 watts when on and 3 watts when off. Maybe the kilowatt meter is broken [And this is made in Germany], but still, a lukewarm UPS is a lukewarm UPS, when powered down. Bronze... maybe Brass rated.
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