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Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

Hi All..

Recently - within the last month, I have noticed that any completed tasks - HFCC and HCC won't report by themselves.

BOINC will connect and get new work... so crunching continues, but I have to manually select update of the WCG project for any work to be acknowledged.

Any ideas?

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Re: Tasks stay "Waiting to report" forever??

Sorry all... my eyes are going downhill... the title of above should read ..."Ready to report".

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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

hi mushashi,

You can change the opening post title by selecting the Edit button [left of the title].

The "forever" per BOINC rules is no longer than 24 hours after the oldest result was completed, unless a real long back-off counter runs. Normally though if new work is fetched of WCG, they're also reported and since work is successfully fetched it means that the server scheduler is running, so that's puzzling. You can reset delay counters by going to the "advanced" menu in the "advanced" view and select "do network communication". If RtR's get older than 24 hours there's a problem to which there's no ready explanation why they then don't report automatically.

What client "exact" version are you running. For "the latest" as some will tell us, the rules have been expanded over the officially supported 6.10.58 of WCG.
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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

Hi SekeRob..

Thanks for the feedback..
The BOINC version is 6.10.58
The wxWidgets version is 2.8.10

I must admit that the "forever" term was probably an exageration.. I recall that last year - probably about a month ago, this "delayed" reporting didn't seem to happen.. I've only noticed it recently... my daily average output has dropped, and thats what alerted me. I've been too impatient to let it go and see what happens at 24hrs... I will do that and check.

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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

I must admit that the "forever" term was probably an exageration.. I recall that last year - probably about a month ago, this "delayed" reporting didn't seem to happen.. I've only noticed it recently... my daily average output has dropped, and thats what alerted me. I've been too impatient to let it go and see what happens at 24hrs... I will do that and check.
I seem to have this issue off and on on several hosts, with no apparent reason. There might be several days in a row where I have to manually perform a project update to report finished and uploaded WUs, then all the sudden the same host does it again all by itself...

Have given up on looking for a source, as it always seems to solve itself within a matter of days...

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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

One apparent reason could be: What's your cache/buffer settings like and how variable is the actual buffer size over and above the minimum setting you've entered? Example:

Buffer 3 days. One task that arrived took not 4 projected hours but 8. Recalc of cache now considers all other buffered tasks [for WCG] to take twice as long too, so the actual buffer actually expands also by that factor... client wont fetch work until next the total drops below 3 days total time to completion.

That's part of the answer if not whole. If there is no fetch requirement, the client reverts to the 24 hour rule, no matter how often you hit the update button only sooner if the RtR is under deadline threat.

Does it matter when results get reported today or tomorrow when the deadline is another 4-7 days in the future? No, not one iota as far as BOINC is concerned or WCG! No, because only a fraction of the member hits buttons and thus it has little to no impact on total jobs that are IP or PV. WCG in general allows 7 to 10 days, only for repair jobs/beta 2.8 to 4 days (in the rare occasion a repair job of a beta gets 1.6 days, but these only go to "reliable" hosts that on average return work anyhow within 48 hours).
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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

One apparent reason could be: What's your cache/buffer settings like and how variable is the actual buffer size over and above the minimum setting you've entered? Example:

Buffer 3 days. One task that arrived took not 4 projected hours but 8. Recalc of cache now considers all other buffered tasks [for WCG] to take twice as long too, so the actual buffer actually expands also by that factor... client wont fetch work until next the total drops below 3 days total time to completion.

That's part of the answer if not whole. If there is no fetch requirement, the client reverts to the 24 hour rule, no matter how often you hit the update button only sooner if the RtR is under deadline threat.
So far the theory...
The cases where this happened/happens to me, all have default cache settings, I never play with that at all. And as I mentioned, this behavior comes and goes, for no apparent reason...
Does it matter when results get reported today or tomorrow when the deadline is another 4-7 days in the future? No, not one iota as far as BOINC is concerned or WCG! No, because only a fraction of the member hits buttons and thus it has little to no impact on total jobs that are IP or PV. WCG in general allows 7 to 10 days, only for repair jobs/beta 2.8 to 4 days (in the rare occasion a repair job of a beta gets 1.6 days, but these only go to "reliable" hosts that on average return work anyhow within 48 hours).
Well, it matters in regards for it to be a possible symptom of anything out of whack with the servers (like just the other day) or possibly with the host itself.
And for me, it always sorted itself out, so as I mentioned, I don't really care anymore...

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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

Long as your client keeps fetching work with the defaults, you only mention reporting "might be several days in a row where I have to manually perform a project update to report finished and uploaded WUs", there's no "have to" either ;>)
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Long as your client keeps fetching work with the defaults, you only mention reporting "might be several days in a row where I have to manually perform a project update to report finished and uploaded WUs", there's no "have to" either ;>)
Well, that's part of the "problem", it doesn't always fetch new work, just 'most of the time'...
That's why most of my hosts these days are crunching for more than one project...

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Re: Tasks stay "Ready to report" forever??

Crunchers have higher pursuits to engage with worthy of their contribution to the grid than to delve into details of whatever mechanisms or processes (that apparently failed) were involved between BOINC and the servers -- and next, from that understanding, for a cruncher to begin to act out a proposed solution.

A BOINC 'janitor' process at the client-side needs to be created to clean up whatever mess that BOINC, WCG, or any other external processes created (or dumped) at a client's BOINC. A counterpart WCG BOINC 'janitor' also needs to be created to clean up whatever mess have been created (or dumped) at the WCG-servers by the client's BOINC, the WCG servers or from any external-to-WCG processes that messes up WCG's BOINC server. The two janitors are to be tasked to coordinate their clean up efforts. As in real -life, janitor processes also play a role in augmenting security. That thing that looks like a thrash, or a mess, may well be a virus.

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I also have a BOINC mess. I have four HCC_7.08-GPU-WUs that remain stuck with a Uploading status for days now. No amount of hitting the Update button or any sync with the WCG-servers would remove that mess. A BOINC janitor-process should be able to clean up that and other future BOINC mess.
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