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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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On POEM, you are relieved of some of that pain. You can specify whether to use either an Nvidia or AMD card, for example. If that could be extended to how many work units to be run at once (maybe not an easy task), and to run only GPU tasks for a given project, it would be perfect for WCG. Einstein@home already has all these options, but it's unlikely WCG will add the multi-task per GPU option atleast. The big question is the fact that the future of GPU based crunching at WCG is not clear at all for me. We have no information about future GPU based projects, and WGC stated very clearly that the only project able to profit from GPU crunching was HCC. They also stated that approx 90-100 days of work are left. That makes it a pretty short GPU project if we compare with some other CPU projects that last for years. This was the first experiment which I suppose is successfull at least crunchers side if we look at all the reactions and emotions that it has created. We saw also that many crunchers having hardware available when having the possibility of using it at WCG they are ready to move to WCG instead of crunching bitcoins or other projects. We also must be sure that the scientists will be also completely satisfied. New facilities like those mentioned in the above posts may be implemented only if WCG sees GPU computing as something to stay and become at least a regular offering in terms of projects. My feeling at this point, is more of a learning experiment which long term continuity is not assured at all. As long as this long term perspective is not defined, there is no sense to invest into a better interface allowing multi-modal, multi-project crunching, selecting the graphic hardware type etc. etc. I hope simply that GPU crunching will become more of a regularly applied technique as the electrical efficiency or Watts/WU or Watts/flops or whatever other sensible energy based ratio, seems to me unbeatable with CPU processing. Regarding the Xeon Phi solution it is to be checked as this could be a CPU approach that could also be very high in terms of electrical efficiency too. ![]() |
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Former Member
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On POEM, you are relieved of some of that pain. You can specify whether to use either an Nvidia or AMD card, for example. If that could be extended to how many work units to be run at once (maybe not an easy task), and to run only GPU tasks for a given project, it would be perfect for WCG. Einstein@home already has all these options, but it's unlikely WCG will add the multi-task per GPU option at least. Let me pull the reply I gave you before on that Einstein "has all the options" (sounding as if it's a page full). https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewpostinthread?post=400743 Avoiding the turd revolving in the pot, the description given for the multi-task per GPU is so loud, the probability of this making it to the WCG device profile page, just from that Munch picture, is like finding a booky in London who's willing to take a one in a million bet out that WCG will. To requote that Einstein option: GPU utilization factor of BRP apps: 1 DANGEROUS! Only touch this if you are absolutely sure of what you are doing! Wrong setting might even damage your computer! Use solely on your own risk! Min: 0.0 / Max: 1.0 / Default: 1.0 BTW, thanks Inglisede for explaining that security angle [now it's clear], to OldChap for compiling the add_info.xml grand variations and CP for posting a 3 way CPU crunch sample alongside a multi-tasking GPU configuration. Managing the CPU apps to go alongside seems to be a serious effort, not something you want to change at every whim. Without member-to-member, the HCC GPU progress would have been a fraction of what it is now I'm sure. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 25, 2012 3:49:41 PM] |
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Former Member
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Avoiding the turd revolving in the pot, the description given for the multi-task per GPU is so loud, the probability of this making it to the WCG device profile page, just from that Munch picture, is like finding a booky in London who's willing to take a one in a million bet out that WCG will. ... [Einstein@home warning] Does not change the fact that the motivation for using an app_info is to be able to have multi-WUs-per-GPU to crunch. It also affirms the suggestion that -- unlikely WCG will add the multi-task per GPU option. By the way, the need to include CPU-based-WUs (in an app_info.xml) is just a necessary inconvenience (if CPU-WUs are desired) in pursuit of the path to multi-WUs-per-GPU.Managing the CPU apps to go alongside seems to be a serious effort, not something you want to change at every whim. ... Exactly. Use of multi-WUs-per-GPU is not for your everyday cruncher as the CPU-based-WUs may not load correctly via incorrect use of an app_info.xml file and/or the settings thereof.; |
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Ingleside
Veteran Cruncher Norway Joined: Nov 19, 2005 Post Count: 974 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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(sounding as if it's a page full). Yes, atleast on 1280x1024 it is a full page. ![]() ![]() "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." |
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Former Member
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It's like Then and When, full page or page full being of incomparable different meaning... turds float, but also sink ;>)
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Former Member
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For those looking for more app_info info, Xtremesystems has been updating the first post in the thread linked on the first page of this post. We've almost got all of the projects into the app_info. Feel free to contribute your findings as well. Cheers!
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Former Member
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Hello retro77,
BOINC is attempting to develop an app_config.xml file that will allow a simple way to run multiple work units on a GPU. This file will not need the anonymous platform nor allow the fine-grain control of the app_info.xml file. Caution - This is a forward-looking statement, as the SEC calls it. The future may be different. But if BOINC does develop this way, computers will not allow ATI and Nvidia GPUs to work together on a project. In such a future, I expect that WCG would disallow the anonymous platform and app_info.xml files will stop working for WCG projects. Of course, this is a distant future if it ever comes to exist. Lawrence |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I expect that WCG would disallow the anonymous platform and app_info.xml files will stop working for WCG projects. Why would they want to do that? Having fine-grain control is the best way to fine tune your particular system. Both options should be available if/when the time comes. A generic one size fits all app_config.xml file would be a step in the wrong direction. JMHO.
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