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Re: app_info.xml with all projects

Nano, seems anyone trying to crunch both creates issues. Maybe have them get the GPU working first, then add CPU wu's afterwards. Everytime I tried both, got nothing but issues. After your help, and a new 7870, doing 8 without issues doing over 500,000 ppd.

I think the problem most people are having is trying to add a CPU project with an app_info file already in the project folder. That will not work. You need to have some of each project you want to run in cache before adding the app_info so it can "see" the info it needs to work properly. You also need to make sure your app_info file has all the correct syntax to run GPU and CPU tasks at the same time.
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[ot]Could you, please, recommend some reliable application for monitoring of temperatures (including openCL GPU) for Win 7 (64)?

Thanks in advance[/ot]

http://www.gputemp.com/ for GPU

http://alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ for CPU
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Thanks Coleslaw and nanoprobe :-)
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On the subject of running a high end card with more threads I believe it is possible to run 10 threads on a 7950 using an 8 core rig as the past 24 hours have seen no issues at all on mine. I would go as far as to say that a more fully loaded gpu seems to self regulate the issue of all threads seeming to start/finish in unison.

It may therefore be possible to run GPU plus CPU tasks where gpu is limited to the number of cores not needed by cpu. I am thinking of this being useful when folks are trying to continue to attain badges whilst at the same time running GPU for points. I will test after SC week.

Details added to first post: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthrea...09-Working-app_info-files
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I would go as far as to say that a more fully loaded gpu seems to self regulate the issue of all threads seeming to start/finish in unison.

Very interesting. I was wondering if it could be made to converge on some stable state, but just the CPU limitation by itself doesn't do it. Unfortunately though, you need to be in a situation where you can saturate the GPU, which is often not the case. If this project were to continue long enough, it would be worthwhile for WCG to build the self-regulation into the tasks themselves, though that might take changes to BOINC too.
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It is not perfect. When I came home from work today I observed 4 wu's from the 10 at the 99% stage but even those 4 had some time differential.

In this state I watched completion times from 3m 2s to 3m 53s for that particular set of ten, On restart with all threads running together this increased all to > 4m 30s.

If a way can be found to prevent convergence then there would seem to be a performance benefit. Again from observation this is particularly true of cards like the 5870.

Re the OP: I am working to collate the info we have so far and produce a single app_info for all to which one would only need to append the required nVidia or ATI specific file.
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Do you guys and gals believe there is a point in increasing even more to 8 or 10 parallel GPU tasks?

If you have the cpu cores to cover your gpu wu's, then raise it. My 7870 is crunching 8 now and know your card handles it better.


Thanks for all replies!
Well, I am pretty sure I won't make it to sapphire on HFCC if I leave that task up to the quad core with no dedicated GPU. I need like slightly less than 200 cpu days and there are not many days left as I understand...

However, at the moment I have now tried to run 12 parallel GPU WUs since my CPU can run 12 threads. Will see what kind of output I get, but it should logically produce more since both CPU and GPU utilization is more likely held at a higher degree of usage.

Well, if ever there will be an app_info file for HFCC I will perhaps have to consider running a few such CPU tasks together with some GPU tasks...depening on how my quad will manage in the mean time.
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I am running 1 gpu and 3 hfcc on my cpu (home built) and 1 gpu and 7 hfcc on my laptop. Using wcg online device manager only
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I am running 1 gpu and 3 hfcc on my cpu (home built) and 1 gpu and 7 hfcc on my laptop. Using wcg online device manager only


Yes, that I have done before also...and yes it works. I would however like to run, say, 6 GPU WUs at the same time together with, say, 6 HFCC CPU WUs at the same time. That way I'd have a decent throughput on the GPU side and also I would reach sapphire on HFCC...
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In this state I watched completion times from 3m 2s to 3m 53s for that particular set of ten, On restart with all threads running together this increased all to > 4m 30s.

If a way can be found to prevent convergence then there would seem to be a performance benefit. Again from observation this is particularly true of cards like the 5870.


Yep! When I have a few minutes, I do it manually (ie. start each WU 28secs apart).

I am running 1 gpu and 3 hfcc on my cpu (home built) and 1 gpu and 7 hfcc on my laptop. Using wcg online device manager only

Yep, you don't need a app_info file when you're running only 1 GPU WU per PC.
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